Brits pulling out of Afghanistan

Only the arms dealers will be sad to see them go.

...and that's with everybody on full alert after the American psycho-turd atrocity. Pretty soon they're going to have to disarm most of the Afghans they've ' trained '. What a mess.

 

We agree . A mess .
What is it about Guerilla warfare -- and that is what it essentially was --that that the Soviets and now NATO could not and cannot understand .
On a much small scale Russia is being thrashed by a bunch of Muhadjeen in the north Caucasus , and if Russian people had any idea about the true number of casualties , they would go ape schite

 

So is it America and her allies faults that Afghanistan is so helpless? Are you saying we didn't train them enough or what? I thought people wanted us to do nothing at all. Haters, haters, haters...

All the world wants is our help during a crisis, then most of them are willing to turn around and dis on the only nation willing to do anything about your corruption and utter helplessness. You're lucky you get anything at all from a people who are willing to take your crap after attempting to show you what prosperity is all about.

All of you are expecting America to do it all, and if we don't, we're the bad guys. Try uniting under a banner that allows you to take responsibility for yourselves rather than pushing it of on the easiest country to take advantage of, then maybe you can stop wasting your own time feeling all of this resentment.

 

To actually win militarily against guerrilla warfare an occupying force must be willing to kill large numbers of people in an occupied region on a large scale.

No western nation has been truly willing in the modern era to do that.

 

Or send in guerrillas of your own. Not a massive invasion force. At least that seems like it would work.

 

Agree .
And there never was a Plan B or C that I can remember .

 

Or the Afghan people can face death and hardship to expel people like that from their country.

 

What on earth are you dribbling about?

Our nations didn't turn their country into a war zone where many atrocities and blood baths have been committed against the average Afghani man, woman and child because we wanted to liberate them from tribal warfare, we've in-fact done the opposite and given the average Afghani more and more excuses to take up arms against the occupiers, we did not go there for the people of Afghanistan, we went there because Bush and Blair said so, chasing ghosts of Al-Qaeda while butchering civilians yearly, inciting hate and showing intolerance and arrogance toward the native peoples, our nations armed forces have disgraced themselves in yet another exercise of imperialism failing to regain a foothold in this world, as people in caves yet again kick the invader out of their blood stained lands, after many needless a life taken, as many a foolish economy implode under the conditions they themselves imposed, the justice of the unseen will judge us harshly.

 

I will be glad when all foreign powers are gone, then the Afghans can sort their own problems out. The way i see it, is that it will be a civil war between the North and South Afghanistan, pretty much what it has been for decades. The Russians were invited in by the Northern Allience to get rid of the Taliban in the South. The Americans armed the Taliban to try to defeat the Russians ,who wasted millions trying to prop up the North. Its always been the case that the North are backed by the Iranians, and the South by the Pakistanis. Nothing has changed that . I suppose you could blame the Brits for putting the Durand line as the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan at the turn of the century. The Taliban and the rest of the Pashtuns in Pakistan still don,t believe in this border. What they should have done is put a border horizontally across Afghanistan to seperate the North from the South.

 

Why should they ?

 

Well, seeing as America causes most of the wars, crises and ****-ups around the planet, why would anyone view you as anything other than adventurist 'bad guys'? And, by the way, nobody 'expects' America to do anything but create epic messes for someone else to clean up-Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan to name but three.

 

Did you write that as a dare?

 

I'd say it was a pretty accurate assessment, wouldn't you?

 

Good now the rest need to do the same and go back home and try not to make the same mistakes again and learn something!

 

What do you think Snake ?
In my book it's a toss up which to flush first , his post or my breakfast .

 

Ok, which part of the post was innaccurate? We can start from that...

 

The Russians were "assisting" their puppet government much like my country is doing now. The US supported what became the northern alliance. As well as Osama Bin Laden against the soviets. The Taliban did not come to power till well after the Soviets left.

 

He starts , " Our nations didn't turn their country into a war zone where many atrocities and blood baths have been committed against the average Afghani man "
Without being disrespectful , i cannot be bothered to go further , as I regard the rest as the same sort of twaddle .
And as I am sure you are not going to agree that these few opening words are just laughable , I don't think our discussion will be benefit either of us .
Mine is now a consensus view and one which is growing steadily more overwhelming . That , in itself , does not prove anything , but like the smell from the kitchen , I know when beef is being roasted .

 

Like Iraq Afghanistan was not a war zone rife with inter-factional bombings, assassination and associated mayhem until the 7th Cavalry arrived to bless them with the gift of democratic bombs.
Your view is your opinion; don't conflate that with an imagined Daily Mail 'consensus'.

 

So let me get this straight.

The USA is begged by the world in 1990 to rescue Kuwait and we put together a massive coalition to do so and free Kuwait. Then, at the request of our coalition allies we slap on embargoes and blockades and no fly zones for over a decade. Costing billions of dollars a year, and maintain a large military presence at the request of none other than the KING of Saudi Arabia, and the rulers in Qatar/Bahrain/UAE/etc. allow us to maintain large naval forces in the region to ensure the security of their tiny little kingdoms which are constantly being undermined by the Iranians, who are avowed enemies the USA as well.

So the USA, as of 2000, was engaged in absolutely no actions against the Muslim world that weren't already requested by, sanctioned by, and approved of by, the entire world community such as the UN and Arab League.

During this time in which the USA was engaged in UN sanctioned activities in the Middle East. We have a decade long string of attacks against US targets around the world including several embassies, a military barracks and a destroyer sitting quietly in Aden harbor.

At no point did the USA, despite a loud outcry by the people, do anything more than lob a few missiles at some tents in the mountains of Afghanistan.

So then 9/11 happens, and the world goes to the hell in a handbasket.

So tell me. What exactly was the USA doing from 1990-2000 that justified the decade long war engaged against the USA by Al Qaeda and its boss Osama Bin laden?

Tell me, why the USA did not have the right to invade Afghanistan to punish Mullah Omar for supporting Al Qaeda within his borders with open arms and funding?

I hear alot of blame against our leaders. I don't see why you blame them. You need to place the blame where it belongs. On the American People themselves. We demanded war.

You cannot blame the leadership of America because they had no choice. Any politician who didn't vote for war action against Afghanistan would've never seen another term. Even Ron Paul, who was disinclined to vote for it, was forced to when his staff threatened to quit on him.

 

You have overlooked the extrodinary relationship between Israel and the US. Also, the US (along with England) were the primary backers of the sanctions agaisnt Iraq (the US probably more so).

 

Of course my view is my opinion -- that is what is called a Tautology and adds nothing .
A consensus means a representative ,independent poll and I think 69% is the current figure , and rising non stop .
The Daily Mail is not a top 4 British paper and I have reached the stage where I read no mainstream papers , save $16 a week, and have more time to look at real news sources .
Try it .

 

Because the people of Afghanistan are those paying the highest price, then the tax payers and working poor at home have to pay a price, our armed service personnel pay a price if not death then disfigurement or mental trauma, because our governments and government associated organisations are also guilty of funding, arming and training Al-Qaeda and associated groups, including within the most recent conflicts such as Libya and the rebellion in Syria, a standard can't be set if it's one already breached by those setting it.

Too many people don't deserve to die, too many poor don't deserve higher taxes, to pay a price for a war many of us didn't want.

The Taliban are Afghani and Pakistani equivalent of our militia's at home, and will do all they can to fight against the invaders and occupiers, whether they're good or bad, matter not, whether we stoop to their level does, and the fact we've surpassed the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in brutality, bloodshed and destruction, I think our nations should take a step back for once and stop spilling blood, and focus on progress and not 20th century warfare mentality and imperialism.

 

Well, that, and women who'd like to keep their noses.

I think that says more about Afghanis than us.

 

I'm no fan of Israel, but seriously, they're just a scapegoat. Most Muslims don't really give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about the Palestinians even though there's so much crying over it.

Israel is just a convenient target, just like they're a convenient proxy for us.

It really just comes down to the fact that extremists benefit from our intervention in terms of recruitment. If they (*)(*)(*)(*) us off enough to bomb some place, then they can start recruiting from that area.

Each side's fanatics benefit from the anger produced by the actions of their opponent.

Even if Israel ceased to exist, people would still hate us and attack us. This is why the War on Terror is futile. The best we can do is just periodically destroy threats and spend the rest of the time employing effective security policies at home.