Far Right anti Islam Demo in Denmark and guess whose flags are flying

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hes an atheist. You can't be a jewish marxist.

    don't be ridiculous now.
     
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    zulu1 Banned

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    I know him personally. He describes himself as being Jewish which encompasses more than purely the component of religion.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    wrong again. ONe day somebody will be able to penetrate the concrete.

    arabs vote, they have citizenships, they have knesset representation.

    on and on and on you go, clearly demonstrating that you are prepared to sacrifice your credibilty for your hatred.

    here's a little article on democracy from standford encyclopedia of philosophy.
    If you are prepared to actually educate yourself about democracy then this is a pretty good place to get a handle on understanding exactly what democracy is and isn't.
    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/democracy/#DemDef
     
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    So, instead of opposing Jew-hating Nazi comparisons, you defend, reward and honor such. Your position thus is heavily anti-Semite according to how you describe it. If you want to learn something about "intellectual honesty", then learn to oppose Nazi comparisons regardless of who makes them instead of tossing around the anti-Semite card like worthless wadded up toilet paper. Until then, your arguments will continue to be hypocritical and bigoted.
     
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    Again this bullcarp has been debunked.
     
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    The Judge New Member Past Donor

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    Jonsa is the one who chose to define your beloved Nazi comparisons as being anti-Semite. If you have a problem with the fact that Jonsa has defined your position as being heavily anti-Semite, then dispute the matter with Jonsa. Yet, of course, you and Jonsa would rather smear Jews with anti-Semite hatred than to oppose Nazi comparisons. If you and Jonsa want to stop hating Jews and abusing the Holocaust, then Nazi comparisons are a no-go, according to Jonsa's argument.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    not of jewish descent?
    Know a lot of marxists do you?
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    repeat repeat repeat.

    I've figured it out what would a marxist know about democracy.

    That or you are a card carrying member of the International association of the intransigently ignorant.

    Keep repeating it. Who was it that said repeat a lie often enough...........

    For a person with a master's degree the rigour of your academic assessments, analytic skills and research ability that you have so far demonstrated would have any profs let alone those at goldsmith cringing.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm sorry that I just can't follow your convoluted logic. Your diametrically opposed comprehension of what is posted is a tad too tedious for me to respond to seriously. So I'll just say hasta la vista.
     
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    Noam Chomsky is Jewish although not a practising Jew. Politically and philosophically he is arguably most closely affiliated to anarchism and syndicalism....Are you getting this yet?

    I know a few Marxists, yes. And.....? No, they don't grow horns.
     
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    I'm not a Marxist...Anything else?
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Absolutely. do a search. you'll find that there is no source for this quote other than mentioning a keynote speech of which there are no copies, there are no reports of this supposed meeting in 1912 in berlin. you'll find that it sometimes quotes it as a zionist congress or a conference on anti-semitism, but its always 1912 berlin.


    He actually did write the words too many jews in a paper that can be found in The Letters and Papers of Chaim Weizmann: December 1931-April 1952. Pg 22 para 2.


    http://books.google.ca/books?id=Psa...w#v=onepage&q=weizmann too many jews'&f=false

    So unless you can pull a rabbit out of your butt and come up with a source reference for this quote, I have substantiated the claim, since tosh such as you post cannot be.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh goodie. we'll just keep checking off the reasonable explanations until we get to the bottom.

    Can I expect a response to exposing the crap you posted twice and your "understanding" of the analysis of the wrong people?

    Can I expect you to actually confront the truth instead of the propaganda you spew?

    Can I expect you to stop repeating ad nauseum your premature and totally fallacious ejaculations of debunking based on spurious/specious logic and inability to actually understand basic political science?

    Didn't think so.
     
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    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahah!!!

    What a totally dishonest representation of history. It is so absurd as to be hilarious.

    But I realize it is impossible for you to actually believe anything other than what you do. Intellectual entrenchement resulting from hatred cannot be argued with.

    "Fifth column". Beautiful fantasy.
    sympathetic to nazis. supreme idiocy

    you are outstanding in your ability to embarass yourself and delusional to think you aren';t.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Rose cited Brenner's use of quotes to support his argument. IOW the only work he used of Brenners was his abilty to compile quotes, not all of which were true or accurate. Brenner wasn't used to support his arguments. Brenner was used as a secondary source for the quotes, because like everyone else on the planet, Rose couldn't find a primary source.

    AVinery's position was an opinion that the Irgun, Haganah, could have done more to help the european jews. Nothing more or less than that.

    NOTHING THAT AVINERY'S WRITTEN IN ANY COLUMN OR BOOK OR ANY OTHER CITATION HAS EVER EXPRESSED THE IDIOTIC NOTION THAT ZIONISM WAS IDEOLOGICALL ALIGNED WITH NAZISM. AVINERY IS A ZIONIST HIMSELF, HAVING FOUGHT IN A COUPLE OF THE ISRAELI/ARAB WARS AND CHAMPIONING THE TWO NATION SOLUTION, STOPPING THE SETTLEMENTS, LIVING IN PEACE WITH THE PALESTINIANS. WHAT KIND OF ZIONIST DO YOU CALL THAT?

    I am not personally attacking you. I am personally criticising you. There is a big difference. However, if I offended you, I apologize, but surely you have a thicker skin than that.
     
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    Were are the Danish intelligentia who can see through all this repetition of history? The only reason why these demos are organized is to try to cause revolution in the streets of Denmark (instead of anti-semitism in Germany last century they use anti-islamitism in this century across Europe)
    And in America they try to bring revolution to the streets by e.g. using the groping of the TSA and the radiation of the bodyscanners and propaganda and call to stand up in numbers to that, or use economics and OWS (that project was not succesful so they continue with other problems, problems that were created over the past fourty years) It's all about causing revolution in the West, and that works against freedom in the end. They try to bring revolution in the masses, once they have the masses in motion they will make that movement a political movement, and then they have you organized.
     
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    Lol..So Rose's piece supported by sources from jewish academics which is what the premise of what your criticising is centred on, is somehow a dishonest representation of history. But you've provided nothing to counternance it other than your unsubstantiated bull(*)(*)(*)(*) and emotionally-charged hyperbole.

    Carry on, you're a laughing stock.
     
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    Reasonable explanations for what? I've provided a historical account linking the ideology of Zionism to Nazism and you've not been able to counternance it with your own sources.

    Carry on Jonsa, everybody's laughing at you.
     
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    Right, you've apparently debunked one source from a multitude of sources. It still doesn't alter the substantive line of argumentation posited by Rose.
     
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    Ah, the typical far-right extreme response which attacks the messenger instead of the message while failing to justify your defense and support for your beloved Nazi comparisons that you describe as being anti-Semite. The problem is that the far-right extreme tends to be bigoted and hypocritical while refusing to acknowledge its faults, and this is why you refuse to oppose the Nazi comparisons that you pretend to be against but actually support. The far-right extreme often likes to play pro-Israel in a Jew-unfriendly manner.
     
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    The far-right extreme is often known as being anti-Marxist even when it attempts to disguise its anti-Jewishness by pretending to be pro-Israel.
     
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    Rose position is not supported by Jewish Academics. Rose uses Brenner's work to second source quotations. INdeed the wiezmann quote of 1912 is bogus as there is no primary source. The wiezmann letter is completely misinterpreted, which is not surprising.

    "you are not welcome in Europe. You do not belong here.” ISNT A QUOTE AT ALL, IT SPRINGS FROM THE DISHONEST AND OBVIOUSLY SLIMY IMAGINATION OF ROSE. do you know the difference?

    The averni quotation is cherry picked and used completely out of context. This is a classic example of spurious, dishonest and sloppy academics. Averni is a zionist as his life's work attests.

    It has become evident that you are not nearly as educated as you claim, since it seems you cannot identify sloppy scholarship nor comprehend accurate critique. You are just another tout for anti-zionist propaganda, spewing an admixture of 1 part fact with 5 parts garbage and lies.
     
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    Reasonable explanations for why you intransigently ignore fact, refuse to consider evidence that contradicts your posted position, and can't grasp that just because its written by a supposedly educated person that it does not necessarily constitute the truth. Witness the rather nefarious attempt by Rose.

    But this goes right over your head doesn't it?

    I'm begining to think you a just a teenager with little academic or real life experience. (reasonable explanation #3)
     
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    Dude, step down from your high horse, chill with the ad hominems and attempt to provide more than personal opinions. You need something better than arrogance, hostility and extremism to argue your case and you still haven't explained why you refuse to condemn the Nazi comparisons which you identify as being anti-Semitism, when they are expressed by Zionists. Why defend anti-Semitism depending upon who expresses such?
     
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    Perhaps you can provide us with the PRIMARY SOURCE of this quotation?

    of course not, because apparently from your response you don't even know what a primary source is. Its not like its of any real import in academia now is it?


    Rose's line of argument isn't substantive, it is nefarious, it is spurious, its conclusions are salacious, and all in all it cannot be considered anything but a marxists anti-zionist bag of crap.
     

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