Alan Dershowitz: Drop George Zimmerman’s murder charge

Show the police diagram of the line of travel of the bullet or shut up.

 

According to you it's exactly what he should have done. If Zimmerman should retreat so should Martin. No matter how many times it is. So where's your logic here?

 

Not a mark on them. Case closed.

 

That autopsy report is very iinteresting. I have never read one before. It seems so sad for a once living person to be summed up in such a fashion.

 

Maybe those gators will get some fresh meat.

 

Well, let’s see. The Marine Corps requires that new recruits, after “body composition training”, at 71 inches (5’11”) weigh between 192 and 132 lbs, 158 is about the middle. Sheesh is right, he wasn’t a hulking football player, but he wasn’t a 98 lb weakling either. But this is a bit irrelevant.

The question (which you have been asked, but continue to dodge) is, at the point of the shooting, where was Zimmerman suppose to retreat to? As to reasonable belief in grave bodily injury, how could Zimmerman know when Martin would stop? .........If, as reported by witnesses, Martin was on top of Zimmerman.

There appears to be some serious stupid from both of these players. But your insinuation that black teenagers are “inherently in danger” from Hispanic security guards show a willful disregard crime statistics, which you undoubtedly know, and betrays you as another partisan with an adjenda.

The press, insinuates, distorts, and fabricates to project their story. A point you have already agreed on. How can you, or anyone here, so unequivocally know what happened that night, particularly from conjecture based on what you already admitted as flawed information.

 

Typical liberal, defining words. Get real.

 

Blitzed him. LOL, we are talking about a 28 yr old grown man that can't handle a 5'11", 158lb kid. What a joke.

 

Actually if you a sucker you would know how easy it is. They had words before the altercation so how did he sucker punch him.

 

LOL, you are correct. At first it was he was 6'3" so he had superior size, now that we find he was only 5'11" height doesn't matter. Let alone the fact you are talking about a kid against a grown or supposed to be grown man.

 

What you are discussing is totally irrelevant to the title of this thread, but I must drift into your direction that size does matter as that is why they have different weight classes for boxers, and the boxer with the longer reach has the advantage. Aside from that, some people aren't street tough, and that looks like the case with Zimmerman (a WHITE/Hispanic male). His equalizer while in most peoples minds is way overboard because it caused the death of Martin (a BLACK 12 year old pre-teenager according to his picture), it is none the less and equalizer as deadly as a baseball bat. I have seen guys that were 5'5" kick the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of 6 footers because of their attitude when it comes to fighting.

Again your argument is irrelevant because this is a fact specific case, and the SYG law looks as if it will apply according to Alan Dershowitz.

BTW, I felt the need to post the pathetic media description of both of these individuals to emphasize how it is their agenda to emotionally charge, and inflame the public, regardless of the facts.

 

I wouldn't doubt it. You know your criminal class, don't you.

 

Just a couple of pages back we had someone talk about martial arts training and now we have the Marine Corps. Well, Trayvon wasn't in the Marine Corps. The autopsy says he had MEDIUM BUILD. No one called him a weakling. I was calling Zimmerman a weakling.

Zimmerman did not try to fight back or get away. He was a stocky guy. The FIRST thing he did was get his gun out and shoot Trayvon dead.

You do know what /sarcasm means?

There are many known facts in the case. That is what I use to form my opinion. If you do not believe I should have an opinion, why are you even here?

 

Well, we know from real evidence, that the FIRST thing Zimmerman did was end up on the ground. A very safe assumption was that he was sucker punched and knocked to the ground, eh ? Trayvon then straddled and continued ot beat him "MMA style". That he sustained injuries to both the front, and back, of his head. That he yelled for help. That someone yelled "I'll call the police". And that Trayvon did not take that as a signal to GTF outta there, and was consequently shot at a range of 1"-17". That last step ... that's fighting back with authority, btw.

 

Zimmerman is a businessman and familyman who was attending college, which is hardly a recipe for a brawler. A 5-11 160 pounder who is naturally aggressive and/or prone to brawling and fisticuffs, can surprise and handily whip the majority of adult men encountered. If you don't know that, you don't know too much. And some teenagers mature, physically, much faster than others. I think you know this but can't help playing devils advocate.

 

That about sums it up. Nice post. Only as a last resort did Zimmerman use deadly force. The Sanford Police and Prosecutor had it right the first time....self defense. This is all so open and shut that what it has now become is a fools parade.

 

Just a couple of pages back we had someone insinuating Martin was too small and weak to put Zimmerman on the ground….. Wait, that was you…….
If Zimmerman was the weakling then wasn’t there reason for him to believe he was at risk of grave bodily injury?

And you know this…how? As a first hand witness/mind reader?. Or are you some omnipotent oracle who sees all? Now, that’s sarcasm.
But you still continue to dodge the question “where was Zimmerman suppose to retreat to?” Particularly if he was the weakling. However, at this point, I don’t expect an answer.

As demonstrated, I know what sarcasm means. But do you? Your statement is best described as hyperbole.

Of course you can have an opinion. And I can have an opinion of your opinion. I was opining that an opinion based on cherry picked “facts” while deriding other “facts” is an insufficient basis for unequivocal belief. Do you believe that I should not have an opinion?

 

Sorry, Zimmerman still loses. If he is a weakling, why did he get out of his car? How did he **** his gun while he was getting the (*)(*)(*)(*) beat out of him? Did he already have it cocked?

It's been pointed out several times that Zimmerman had no marks on his hands nor were there marks on Trayvon other than the big hole in his chest.

Retreat? Why do you keep asking me this question? Do you have evidence that Zimmerman tried to get away?

No need to get into semantics. I'll stick with sarcasm.

I see that you hold one side to a different standard. That's your prerogative.
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Right, but this wasn't a boxing match. A fight where anything goes is totally different from a boxing match, especially, when you have a 28 yr old grown man fighting a 17 yr old kid.

Well how was he ever serving as a bouncer.

Grown men. Tell me the last time you saw a 5'11", 158lb 17 yr old beat down a 28 yr old grown man.

In this case Dershowitz is doing what I am doing, giving his opinion.

BTW I don't know too many grown men who will admit that they can't handle a 5'11", 158lb 17 yro old kid and they need a pistol to stop him.

 

Just staying true to American justice. In 1916 in Waco Texas, a white mob seized a black guy from his courtroom seat and lynched him in front of the courthouse. A crowd of 10,000 cheered as he was murdered. They mutilated his body. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_of_Jesse_Washington

So who's the criminal class?

 

Oh wow, 1916!! Does that really matter now?

 

Is that what he was.

Sounds like a real businessman too me.

A 5-11 160 pounder who is naturally aggressive and/or prone to brawling and fisticuffs, can surprise and handily whip the majority of adult men encountered. If you don't know that, you don't know too much. And some teenagers mature, physically, much faster than others. I think you know this but can't help playing devils advocate.[/QUOTE]

This has to be one of the most asinine statements about this whole ordeal. Please give us the link to where you have proof that Trayvon was prone to brawling and fisticuffs. Sorry, there is no way the average 5'11", 158lb kid can handle a grown man. I know you don't know what the hell you are talking about that is pretty obvious. Please tell us how many kids of the size that you know that have put a ass whooping on a grown man.

 

[/QUOTE] You have no idea how good a fighter either Zimmerman OR Martin are/were.

A sucker punch can negate a natural advantage,and if "you don't know that,you don't know too much"...

 

Actually I do, if a 28 yr old grown man couldn't handle a 5'11", 158lb kid. I know exactly what kind of fighter Zimmerman was.

How many times have you been sucker punched?

 

Actually I do, if a 28 yr old grown man couldn't handle a 5'11", 158lb kid. I know exactly what kind of fighter Zimmerman was.

How many times have you been sucker punched? Do you think the cofrontation between Trayvon and Zimmerman was a friendly one? I doubt if he was sucker punched.