Thoughts on David Cameron

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  1. demokrat

    demokrat New Member

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    What are your thoughts on him?
     
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    A pompous, out of touch toff.
     
  3. demokrat

    demokrat New Member

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    Interesting...
     
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    He really is clueless but politics is sadly as much about appearances as it is about policies and it will take the so called middle classes here in England especially to wake up and see that people like him do NOT represent them, but whats even more tragic is that the only true alternative ( Labour) is pretty much exactly the same thing.
     
  5. Colonel K

    Colonel K Well-Known Member

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    Cameron is a PR man, A millionaire who leads a cabinet of millionaires in running the country for millionaires, at the expense of the majority who are not millionaires.
     
  6. demokrat

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    You sound like the type of guy I could like.
     
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    Oddquine Well-Known Member

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    He's not that clueless......his policies are aimed at garnering votes for the Tories next time round...so he aims his "reforms" at what he thinks will be his voting demography, (just as Labour/NuLabour has always done, but favouring a different demography)....and the tory demography has rarely included large voting numbers of the unemployed or sick/disabled living solely on benefits.

    He appears to be paying lip-service to the whiners who don't see why universal benefits should continue to be paid to the well-off ....but funnily enough, he isn't completely removing Working Tax/Child Tax credits from those the majority of us would consider well-off, which is where I'd have started cutting back.....so that would be a fair chunk of the middle-classes voting for him, because he hasn't trashed them as much as he has/is going to do to the single under 25s, the sick and disabled. He will keep most of his even better off than the middle classes voters, because he gave them a 5% tax drop, and is dragging his feet re the plugging of their tax-loopholes...he will hang on to the voters who do well from the subsidised and featherbedded financial sector....and to a lot of those who run businesses and can boost their profits because we subsidise their poor wages to save them maybe not making a profit......and his pensioners bribe was a stroke of genius.....unless of course you are a pensioner who has already had a pension forecast and knows he/she will lose from it.

    Let's not pretend otherwise.....the Welfare state has simply become, over the decades, just another vote purchasing tool to ensure, as far as possible, the continued employment of politicians. The concept of anything approaching a "common good" has been subsumed, over most of my lifetime by the self-interest of our politicians. The only party to take a really big hit at the next election is going to be the Lib-Dems....because the coalition did little to ameliorate the Tory excesses, however much they try to spin it.

    And then some people wonder why many in Scotland want to get out from under the thumb of UK politicians of all shades who are only out to keep their jobs by turning us into America-lite.
     
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    He strikes me as being constantly out of his depth. I mean, I assume he's not an idiot but he just doesn't seem up to the job.
     
  9. Sovietskaja Zenzina

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    Well was listened his speeches on TV to my opinion his is little with low IQ skills.
     
  10. cenydd

    cenydd Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually, they've done quite alot - 75% of their manifesto made it in to the coalition agreement. It's not been widely emphasised in the media, though, because they don't have their own group of supporting papers - the papers are either tory or labour, and both have an interest in sticking it to the lib dems. People might start to notice the big change on tax thresholds which was really the lib dem's flagship policy (and not something the tories would ever have done on their own) when it hits their pay packets in a few months, but the media will probably still be giving the credit to the tories for it. They've taken the blame for the student fees thing, of course, but what hasn't been widely reported is that, although the lib dems had to accept that tory policy (very much a tory policy, even though the lib dems have taken the hit for it because of a silly 'pledge' that they should never have signed), they have changed the payment system so that ex-students will actually pay back less per month on the £9,000 fees than they would have under the old Labour £3,000 fees payment system. In practise, on a monthly basis, graduates will be better off, despite the bigger fee figure - nobody seems to want to notice that, though, or give any credit to the lib dems for it. This is the kind of thing that is going on - lots of lib dem work, lots of improvements to tory policy ideas, lots of little lib dem ideas, but almost no reporting of any it.

    They haven't been able to do everything the wanted, obviously - that's coalition government. Things would certainly have been massively different under a tory government, though.

    As for Cameron, I think he's done OK in some ways considering the difficulties of managing a coalition government as leader of a party where a large part of it wants to pull it in a completely different direction. He's certainly messed a few things up, though, and George Osborne even more so. Sometimes I think he tries a bit too hard to be 'nice' and 'clean cut' and 'of the people', but that's the reality of modern politics - those who don't do that don't get anywhere, unfortunately. I doubt we'll ever see another Nye Bevan, or David Lloyd George, or Winston Churchill - not unless something significant changes among the population and the way they view their politicians (and their 'celebrities', for that matter!).

    Personally I don't buy into the 'he's rich, so he must be bad' kind of nonsense at all, though - there have been excellent politicians and political leaders from all kinds of backgrounds, and rubbish ones from all kinds of backgrounds too. It's just silly 'blame the man' kind of stuff, and has no relevance to anything. I don't judge anybody (including politicians) on where they grew up, or how rich their parents are, or where they were educated, any more than I would judge them on the colour of their skin, their gender or their sexuality - that's just basing opinions on ignorant bigotry. I judge people (and politicians) according to their actions, and take the time to listen and try to understand what they are actually saying, and what they are doing, instead of dismissing them before they even start because they don't come from where I come from, or come from 'the wrong side of town'.
     
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    This. An opportunist who stands for nothing and offers nothing. The worst kind of politician who craves power for the sake of it (which sums up the current, ideologically bankrupt Conservative party). I honestly cannot think of a more fake, unsubstantial character in British politics, apart from maybe Tony Blair.
     
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    Standard silver spoon Tory who has managed to significantly damage the economy and increase poverty. You can't trust right wingers with economic matters.

    I don't blame him though. He's doing what he's programmed to do. I blame the liberal democrats and everyone that voted for the shower. Burn your slippers!
     
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    Well, if this thread hasn't been updated then, after 'Brexit', Mr David Cameron has shown himself to be the biggest moron of the 21st century with 83 years left to go.
     
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    'David Cameron'? Who he?? [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Methinks thou doth assume too much!

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    Spot on TC. [​IMG] Couldn't've put it better meself.
     
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    A British politican that doesn't know what "Magna Carter" means and thinks that the UK was the "junior partner" with the US during WWII in 1940,,,, when the US wasn't even in WWII.

    What a (*)(*)(*)(*)!
     

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