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  1. OJLeb

    OJLeb New Member

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    50 REASONS WHY MUHAMMAD (S.A.W) IS SO GREAT
    I have seen Non Muslims and others always wonder why we Muslims love and adore the final prophet (s.a.w) so much. Why does every Muslim have to follow him and what is so Great about Rasool (s.a.w) so on and so forth. Well the answer to this can never be short. It is as huge as 500 volumes of Books. But a person is known from his actions, his teachings, his principles. And i shall enlist one example per aspect of life, or say one example per topic showing the teachings of rasool (s.a.w).


    Spirituality

    The Prophet said: 'Wealth does not come from having great riches; (true) wealth is contentment of the soul.' (Sahîh Bukhârî, Sahîh Muslim)


    Note: the contentment of the soul is in doing what is right and shunning what is wrong.

    Cognizance

    The Prophet said: 'The similitude of the one who contemplates (thinks , believes, obeys) his Lord versus the one who does not is that of the living versus the dead.' (Sahîh Bukhârî, Sahîh Muslim)

    Sincerity

    The Prophet said: 'Actions will be judged according to their intentions.' (Sahîh Bukhârî, Sahîh Muslim)

    Mercy

    The Prophet said: 'Show mercy to those on earth so that He who is in heaven will have mercy on you.' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)

    Gentleness

    The Prophet said: 'Whoever is deprived of gentleness is deprived of all good.' (Sahîh Muslim)
    More:
    http://the-finalrevelation.blogspot.in/2012/10/50-reasons-why-muhammad-saw-is-so-great.html
     
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    I would like to ask some questions (I am Christian BTW).

    Does Islam accept the Old Testament of the Bible as the true Word of God?

    Does Islam accept the 10 Commandments as given by God?

    Does Islam accept the Book of Genesis as being true?

    Does Islam agree that God's first commandment to Adam and Eve was to not eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and that if they did they would surely die?

    Thank you for your time.
     
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    That would be nice if Muhammad was a sinless man, but there is plenty of historical evidence to show that He was a very sinful man, more so than most.

    On the other hand, there is not ONE piece of evidence to show that Jesus ever committed even one sin.

    BTW, all the stuff you attribute to the sayings of Muhammad that are good, were written previously in the Holy Bible.
     
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    In these discussion with the muslims, we must always be sure "Voice of Reason must Prevail."
    Their entire religion came about because the Christians in 622AD were not explaining the Gospel reasonably, but had been trying to convert the Arab neighbors with claims that they could not make sense of themselves.
    Mohammed based his whole perspective on the few things that he criticized as unreasonable, and he throw out the "baby Jesus with the bad bath water."

    Be that true about the muslims claiming Ismael was the one Abraham was to "crucify, the fact is that they have a good argument.

    The verse say Abraham took his only son,... that had to be Ishmael since when Isaac was born, he would have Ismael as an older brother by 13 years of age.
    And, the story makes sense in that Sarah had told Abraham to get rid of Hagar and the boy, so the means by which Abraham had first thought to do that was "abortion" though at age 13. It also makes sense that this was the reason for such a terrible thing to even be happening.

    And, it makes sense in that Mary was the only Jewish blood parent to Jesus while only Abraham was the Jewish blood parent to Ishmael.
     
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    Yes, as Muslims we respect the divinity of the Torah and Gospel. However, throughout time the original messages were altered by man and thus corrupted.

    Yes.


    Unfortunately I don't know enough about Genesis to answer that properly. I'd appreciate a quick summary of it if you don't mind. Or be more specific about what in Genesis you are talking about.


    Thank you for the questions.

    Salam
     
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    Most religions are about personal transformation. Jews have Yom Kipper day for redemption were they pray for absolution of sins. They also have all sorts of rituals to shape personal character.

    Buddhism tries to transform personal character thru meditation.

    It seems to me that Islam is a social movement. That it's about Sharia Law, helping the poor. Am I right?
     
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    Stucky, muslims don't see it like this,
    Both were great men sent by God to convey his message (tawheed/monotheism) to their people.
    Both asked God for forgiveness.
    Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) used to pray:
    “O Allah! Forgive me my sins that I did in the past or will do in the future, and also the sins I did in secret or in public.”

    According Matthew, Jesus (PBUH) prayed to God; “And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.”

    Both are respected by muslims,
    [video=youtube;p_QMJ_oRc0c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded& v=p_QMJ_oRc0c[/video]
     
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    I know Misri, but Christians believe that Jesus was the Son of God and never sinned. Show me where Jesus asked His Father for forgiveness for His sins? Your example of the Lord's prayer is flawed as Jesus gave that as an example to those that asked how to pray. He was not praying it Himself. Muslims respect Jesus the man but do not acknowledge Jesus, the Son of God. That is why Muslims will never see paradise (nor the 72 virgins....c'mon, really?)
     
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    Islam is an entire way of life.

    During Ramadan, we fast and pray to have our sins forgiven. We also perform pilgrimage to the Ka'aba as well.

    During the year, we pray 5 times a day. The Muslims who do do this usually have a different lifestyle than before. I speak from experience on that.

    Islam has a political side (Sharia), but it is a very spiritual faith I would say. With prayer, fasting, and performing Hajj there are multiple ways to go about changing ones personal character.
     
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    You're a very nice person, very refreshing after the atheists I meet on here. Okay, what I am getting at is Christians believe that God told Adam and Eve if they ate of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil they would die. Meaning, that the punishment for sin is eternal death. Do Muslims believe that the punishment for sin is eternal death?
     
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    The punishment for sin in Islam is spending the after life in Hell. You cannot die while in Hell.

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    The punishment for sin in Islam is spending the after life in Hell. You cannot die while in Hell.
     
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    Thank you for a clear, concise, direct answer. With all the obfuscation going on in this site, you are a wonder.

    Your view is the same as most fundamentalist Christians. I disagree with them but that's just me.

    Can Muslims be forgiven of their sins and go to Paradise and, if so, what is the criteria for forgiveness and how, or why, does God do it?
     
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    What's your view?

    Of course. Allah SWT is al-Gaffar (the Forgiving).

    In Islam you have the chance the repent for most sins.

    But besides that, while fasting during Ramadan your sins will be forgiven. You can ask for forgiveness after any of the 5 daily prayers as well.
     
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    If Islam condems murder then why are these people being murdered?

    http://ansamed.ansa.it/ansamed/en/n...es-makers-anti-Islam-film-upheld_8155771.html
     
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    If Jesus condemned murder, why did the Inquisition subject so many to executions? If Buddhism says anger, hatred, and the extinguishing of life are all evil, then why did the Tibetan Lamacracy amputate limbs and leave people on mountainsides to die for objecting to their wives and children from being used as sex slaves by the monks and lamas?

    Turns out the tenets of a religion do not necessarily influence how those people in power will act. Who knew?

    As for Islam: it was a relatively reformist religion from about 700-1650CE, as it was more accepting of other religions than Christianity during the same time frame, then the Muslim powers went into decline while the Christian powers liberalized, and now from the late 1800s until today there's been a resurgence in fundamentalist Islam that looks back onto the Abbasid caliphate and tries to recapture the lost glory days of its golden era and a lot of people in power in former colonial nations want to go back to a time that never was, including all the Medieval aspects that entails. Modernize the nation, make the people aware of class differences and similarities, and I imagine that a lot of the fervor for fundamentalist Islam will die back. Though, the majority of Muslims are not super-fanatical and the average Muslim person on the streets of Cairo, Dhaka, Istanbul, or Kuala Lumpur is not going to be that concerned about whether or not someone is a Muslim or not. They will generally embrace political movements that use fundamentalist Islam, though, because those groups have the bona fides with regards to resisting colonialism in the past (hence the Muslim Brotherhood's rise to power in Egypt, as they were constantly opposing Mubarik's regime).
     
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    If American laws condemn murder, then why are these people being murdered?

    Answering that question will answer your own question.

    BTW Ali Gomaa was calling for peaceful protests during the riots in Egypt, not violence...

    http://www.ali-gomaa.com/?page=news&news_details=127

     
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    Because a day to God is not 24 hours... But what was your point exactly?


    Isn't that concept, 1 day = 1 000 years, also found in the Bible? In fact, how long is one day in Genesis? Seems we are in the same boat :)

    A day for God can be however long He wills, can it not? After all, God does not live on Earth, let alone the Solar System. Mars has a different length of day than Earth. Aa does Uranus. So does it seem logical to measure a day for God by the standard of one planet? I don't think so.

     
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    I'm just saying if every word in the Quran has a specific reason, why use the word "day" when Allah does not mean a day? Why do you bring up genesis when you said yourself it was corrupted?
     
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    Allah SWT used the word youm, actually. Like in Genesis, which says yom (the Hebrew word for day/period/ages etc), youm in Arabic has the same meaning.

    That it says day in the English version is due to the translators, not Allah SWT.

    I bring up Genesis because while some parts in the Bible have been altered by men over it's history it still was a message from God. And you do follow the Bible. So it seemed relevant. Because if you wish to criticize the Quran for this, well then you would simultaneously be criticizing the Bible for the same thing :(

    The story of the creation of the Earth in the Bible and Quran are quite the same actually.

    Also... They both mention a day for God being equal to 1 000 years, and they both use semitic languages which are not easily translated into English. Hence the yom/youm/day translation.
     

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