He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
i know there not the same the Muslim and Christian and Jewish god are not the same between Muslims Christians and Jews for crying out loud But there not totally different none of them exist simply to be cruel or evil but the gods in them are sometimes Theirs evil in you and me to I can tell saying its just a region of evil period seems rather dark and false
um having to embrace Islam or go to hell is evil and i dont think you can submit to a tyrant bastard god if you dont believe it exists and it would be wrong to always submit to it if you did believe it exists Good and bad are in peoples heads no gods needed and the universe can seem evil and good it contains things i like and dont like but its not good or evil like a person is 2 different versions of the same person are not the same person you dont believe Christianity is true you dont believe that the last prophets were form the old testament you believe other religions have it wrong if you believe yours is right there mutually exclusive Mohamed was a prophet or he was not Jesus was an avatar of a god or its kid or he was not there not both the case
But those who believe and work righteousness,- no burden do We place on any soul, but that which it can bear,- they will be Companions of the Garden, therein to dwell (for ever).
Neither Quran nor Hadith mention the age of mankind. In relation to angels and jinn, man was the last of creation. If that counts
Neither does the bible specifically. But it gives ages and begats and a determination can be made. Since Islam is from the same lineage as the biblical folks islam must have an idea of how long ago adam and eve walked the earth.
OJ I have a serious question. Besides the divinity doctrine, what is the difference between Islam and Christianity?
It depends whether you discount the hint that those men in the genealogy lived lives too long to mean the names refer to individuals, rather than a species or kind of man, one kind ascending into the next as evolution suggests. This idea of understanding the genealogy as a totem name is called using eponyms that might refer to similar terms we use in our taxonomy of Paleontology. Some of the scripture that warrants this approach is found in Gen 5:2: Genesis 5:2 Male and female created he THEM; and blessed THEM, and called THEIR name "Adam," (a species), in the day when THEY were created.
1) trinity 2) resurrection of Jesus 3) lip service to Jesus as a great prophet but a total avoidance of what he said, such as observing the Eucharist and love for one's enemies instead of violence, etc.
But even the Koran says that God is Truth which admits to god's identity with Christ who was personified as "The truth, and the way, and the Life everlasting." Furthermore, Reality is the father of Truth, as that truth unfolds frame by frame into the future. So Mohammed was wrong, God is NOT one. God has a son in the truth God creates in His wake as life and the living unfold eternally before us.
The Quran doesn't mention it at all tbh. All I can say is we weren't the first nor the last living thing to be put on Earth. The Quran hints to the age of the Universe and Earth, but doesn't go into detail on how long humans have been around. What does the bible say on the topic?
The differences are mostly related to Jesus (pbuh). Granted, I don't know as much about Christianity to make a great comparison, but most of what I discuss with Christians is Jesus (pbuh). That, and the Ishmael-Isaac dilemma. So I know quite a bit about those topics. If you have anything specific, regarding the actual teachings, feel free to ask. I can give a better answer for specific teachings, because it makes my research easier
Nothing specific. It gives ages of adam, noah, others to death in the lineage to Jesus so it can be roughly back calculated. It is why christians often say the earth is 6000 yrs old. If one takes the creation as 6 literal 24 hr days.
Ohhh... I can't recall any Hadith or verses in the Quran which refer to the age of Prophets. There MIGHT be some hadith on it however, I'll take a look. But I am certain there is nothing which says how long humans have walked the Earth. As for Genesis, in my opinion (for what it's worth) , I think the word "yom" is interpreted wrong. Because we do not know what a day is to God. Even if you don't believe in God, you should understand what I'm saying. (Not you as in you, btw). Yom means a period of time, not just day. Like Arabic (which is youm) it has different translations, but the same main idea (measure of time).
But where the christian priest went wrong on that 6000 years was when he forgot Gen 1:14 which says the first six "days" were NOT earth days of 24 hours. In Gen 1:14, God makes the Sun the time keeper over the Solar clock, the Month the time keeper of the Lunar Months, and the Stars are made the time keeper of Sidereal Time. That is the thre ways we keep time of Earth. But the creation begins with a long duration, and Age that spans 9 billion Earth days.
Exactly correct. Psalms also tells us that a yom to the lord is like a thousand years, which Peter repeats in the NT. So the bible covers itself for this understanding which only was important today, after we have learned the unbelievable truth. Also, in regard to muslims not reading the OldTestament, they forget that Mohammad was actually writing his understanding of bothwhat the Christians and the Jews were sayingthey understood the bible to be saying. Muslim have been tricked into reading only their koran as if the information came to mohammed in a vacuum. But clearly, Mohammed was both repeating and slanting the Old Testament especilly towards his revealed insights as to what that book meant. It is intellectually lazy for muslims to accept the koran out if hand and fail to compare and reveiw the source of the commentary mohammed offers to them. As you say, it seems more reasonable that Abraham was sacrificing Ishmeal, rather than Issac. Since Ishmale was 13 at the time Isaac was born, the story would have been reporting an incident when Ishmael was long gone, married and with 12 sons when this attempted crucifixion upon an altar of wood would have taken place. That seems unlikely at first, and more so when Abraham reinforces the coming analogy to the crucifixion of Jesus by emphasizing he was killing his own only son, too. But that you know this tells me you have read the OT when necessary.
The Koran, Hadith or any Islamic writings never mention that it was Ishmael even Mohammed did not know or mention that it was Ishmael what is mention though was that "a son of Abraham" or "the son of Abraham" was offer to be sacrifice and as we know Abraham has two sons. The Bible confirming the Torah clearly mention the name Isaac. This is just one of many disparity and corruption of Mohammed's Islam and the Koran it is only Muslims who are saying and claiming it was Ishmael contradicting their own Mohammed's revelation just like Mohammed never said anything that the Bible is corrupt only Muslims are making that claim at the same time some Muslims will claim that women are not to be discriminated but as we witness many Muslims claim other wise. One very coincidental fact is that Muslims emulate Hagar, Hagar the slave wife of Abraham who was submissive instead of emulating Sarah the miracle mother of Isaac and the legitimate wife of Abraham. This is maybe why Muslims treat their women like slaves because they want them to be like Hagar. One would think that if Muslims are claiming that Islam is the true and uncorruptible true religion one would think that it would be very specific instead we found there are so many guessing.
OJLeb, thank you for answering my post quickly. I had written that before I went on vacation for 9 days. Answer was good, I hit 'liked the post' .. So the Quran never translates a "period" as a day,is that right ? (No, I am not educated in Islam / )
No worries. How was it? It has the same "issue" as the OT because the word youm in Arabic means both day and period, like with yom. It's not really an issue, I just don't have a better way to describe it. The following speaks about creation of the Earth: Inna rabbakumu Allahu allatheekhalaqa assamawati wal-ardafee sittati ayyamin thumma istawa AAalaalAAarshi yudabbiru al- amra ma min shafeeAAin illamin baAAdi ithnihi thalikumu Allahu rabbukumfaAAbudoohu afala tathakkaroon "sittati ayyamin" is translated as "6 days" by most translators. It appears a few times in Quran. If that is what you mean?
So here is my question for Muslims. I want to know what is the draw. If you converted to Islam. What was the tipping point that made you decide to be Muslim. Here are some examples. Christianity - The draw here is redemption. Many people feel they have sin in their life. People who convert because feel the Jesus erased their sins from their life. Buddhism - The people who practice Buddhism practice mediation which helps with the noble eightfold path. Which also helps achieve enlightenment. What was it about Islam that made feel that you found the truth.
Remember ye implored the assistance of your Lord, and He answered you: "I will assist you with a thousand of the angels, ranks on ranks." Allah made it but a message of hope, and an assurance to your hearts: (in any case) there is no help except from Allah: and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
That's simply because a 7th century uneducated, illiterate, warlord who had suicidal tendencies and was so morally bankrupt that he had sex with a child when she was as young as 6 ("thighing" here) didn't know any better. If he did know the age of mankind then of course he would have made the Qur'an clearly more believable (and therefore fewer people would have to burn in hell!) by simply telling us the answer. He didn't, so he's either not divinely inspired or he's not moral enough to try to keep even more people from going to "hell". Either way, he's a failure as a "prophet". Things he DID tell us about were which hand to use on the toilet (I'm not making this up, guys), how many rocks to use on the toilet, what to say when you enter a toilet room, kill gays, and women are so inferior that their testimony is only worth 1/2 that of a man, etc. Clearly his PRIORITIES were so screwed up that anyone thinking he's the greatest person of all time (like the Qur'an says) is delusional. Clearly. Mohammad's priority was to hate on women: Qur'an (2:228 ) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]" Qur'an (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands if there is no water to purify them following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands). Qur'an (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye. (To be fair, men are told to do the same thing in the prior verse). Qur'an (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse, which it has been used historically to justify. If this is what Muhammad meant, however, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365). Qur'an (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four" Inequality by numbers. Qur'an (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male. Qur'an 2:282: And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 205).
