God. Am imaginary friend for adults.

Wrong! Man created god in mans image.

 

Nice opinion that plays well in Christian circles... but does nothing to sway a non believer like me. Prove to me the Truth of the Holy Spirit without quoting the Bible or offering me an opinion... give me irrefutable proof of the Truth of the Holy Spirit.

 

Hmmm...
Cloe.
Man created the image of what was True and accepted it as The Christ.

This Truth saved him as it will all men who see the Truth and bow down to it.

 

So your idea of truth is a Jewish god man whose life is as spurious as the paper it was written on?

 

I barely know where to start.

no, actually, I do know where to start. you said 'evolved'.
followed closely by your impressive knowledge of prehistoric goings on. Tony Robinson could use you on Time Team. you'd run from 'trench one' in your muddy jeans shouting in a broad Wiltshire brogue that you'd reached the Truth strata.

 

Since we don;t accept the bible as any sort of Authority why Christians use the Bible to 'prove' things is utterly beyond me.

 

Not really.

I see it that the whole world was under the control and influence of many Gods.
Each god/goddess was described by a mythology that explicitly identified the expected submission of the followers or "worshippers."
This had gone on since ancient Egypt appeared as the first civilization.

What the Jews have done, step by step, over 3000 years, has been to destroy this system of things called religion.

Judaism first, followed by Christianity, eliminated all the ancient religions that had essentially taught people from birth to bow down to the leadership of these teacher/preachers/politicians/emperors.
By the year 380AD only monotheism existed.

The end of the Story is that: Christ teaches the whole world that recognizing the ever unfolding next frame of Reality is the only rational idea of an "almighty" to whom men must conform and bow down.

To bow down to the Facts-of-Life, and wisely submit to the Reality within which men are both trapped and nurtured requires that Jesus get world wide attention and logically explain that Truth is mankind's Lord.

The "scraps of paper and the Jewish men" who loved mankind enough to develop this trick for our social improvement want no glory, no riches, no thanks, no blessing, no glory, but merely respect and appreciation for Jesus, who got world wide attention so the story could be told.

Respect,... because Jesus got world wide attention the hard way.

 

You're joking, right?

 

poes law in action is only funny for so long, then we go for the ig feature.

 

Sometimes when people are so ignorant, we can attribute that to their education. What kind of isolated farm cellar was this kid brought up in to say all the untrue stuff he says?

I doubt he was taught this. He just makes it up.

He's just a liar, that's all. It don't matter what his motives are.

 

Strange people who claim to believe in god but have no respect at all for the commandments.

 

Atheists sometimes are completely out of reality. They live in their own little delusional world and are clueless about what this reality actually is. They failed to realize how this reality is operated.

Faith through human witnessing by far is the most efficient way to approach a truth in this reality. It is also the most employed way to approach a truth in this reality.

However, people are living under the Tree of Knowledge to think that they can judge correctly about good from evil, right from wrong. They are educated to be delusional to think that humans should rely on EVIDENCE to decide whether to believe.

In the very contrary, most things humans choose to believe is never evidenced. This is specially true before the creation of videos.

Humans get to know the world since their childhood from books written by other humans. They gain knowledge through books written by others. This is a process of human witnessing. Even today humans rely heavily (like more than 90%) on human witnessing to approach the reality, not evidence. The creation of TVs and videos only make human witnessing more powerful. Humans choose to believe the media of which the reporters act as human witnesses to report what our daily world is and or other humans to choose to believe.

History is never evidenced. This is the nature of what history is. The more distant the history is, the more impossible for humans to dig up the evidence. History again by nature is a product of human witnessing. Humans in majority in their life time almost never examine evidence of history. Instead, they choose to believe or disbelieve what was written by the historians (they are human witnesses of history).

To ask evidence of history (especially the distant ones) makes not much difference to asking a male to give birth to a child. It is because in nature male humans don't give birth to children. And in nature, history is not evidenced.

At last but not least, even science exists in the form of human witnessing. Is the earth really revolving around the sun. Humans in majority don't actually acquire evidence about it. They rely on what is written and said by the scientists (they are the human witnesses in this case). By the way, you need an extremely good telescope and other precision equipment for "earth running around the sun" to be evidenced to you.

So it is a joke, it is a delusion in reality to think that humans are actually relying on evidence to approach to the truth of this reality. In contrary, humans need faith all the times.


To put it another way, if event "A" truly occurred 2000 years ago (an assumed truth in history), what can be done for this truth to be carried forward to today's humans ?

1) A witness will have to write it down
2) this witness is willing to die for what he has written down

That's already the best way the truth to be conveyed. This approach is the same human witnessing approach mentioned above.

Moreover, it seems that no other gods ever understood the nature of human witnessing. Only the true God of Bible put emphasis on human witnessing!

 

No, it aint.

That assumes 2 things that are both wrong:

1) People don't put nontruth to paper.
2) People are not willing to die for a lie.


Both of those things take place so your assumptions are not the best way to determine truth. Probably one of the most unreliable ways to determine truth, actually.

 

Does this mean the muslims have more truth?
In today's world, more muslims are willing to die for their religion than christians. So it seems.

 

Hmmm,...

Maybe other underground religions in the Roman World continued to pracice their rites and bow to the pantheon of the Myths, but at the pain of death if they were caught.

Theo I, the Emperor outlawed all religion except Christianity in 380 AD.

He converted all pagan temples to chirches, he mandated Sunday church attendance, he prohibited sexual promiscuity, he attacked homosexuality, he fostered Christian sexual prudence, and he stampted out all discent and heresy.



Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones (of Universal Christian authority) and they, (the 144,000 monks of Catholic monasticism: [Rev14:4]), sat upon them, (i.e.; Christianity, as mandated by Emperor Theo I, was the ONLY legal religion in the Empire, after 380AD), and (theocratic) judgment was given unto them (in the days of Catholic Monasticism): and I saw the souls, (the spirit-like psyches or thinking) of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the (one) word of God, (Truth), and which had not worshipped (by participation in the paganistic practices and sexual excesses fueling) the beast (that was Roman Culture, including the economic system which had been based upon selfish self-interest), neither his image (on his coinage), neither had received his mark (of ledgered accounts recorded) upon their foreheads, or in (wages in) their hands (those monks living in moneyless monastic environments);

and they, (the saints/apostles), lived (as angels in the minds of the Christians who have followed since the appearance of the Gospels in 54AD, i.e., those beheaded saints, in the memories of the congregations who worshipped in churches built upon the bones of their remains)...
.... and (they) reigned (in Monasticism) with Christ a thousand years, (from 54 AD upon the appearance of the Holy Comforter, until 1054 AD with the first Schism of Greek Orthodoxy).

 

3) The Collective Unconscious mind that hovers like a Third Eye over every generation of Humanity can remember it.

"For just as the Father, (The Force of Nature), raises the dead (who rest in the human gene pool) and gives them life (again, from their genetic blueprint carried in the blood of the humanity that exists already), even so, (the Unconscious mind), the Son, (watching over them and each generation of the living, though he is inaccessiable to their Consciousness until the next adaptation essential to our evolution: [Gen 9:11]), also gives life to (the next species to evolve), whom He wishes.

For not even the Father judges anyone, (they either adapt and will adapt or become extinct), but He, (the Force behind Nature), has given all judgment to (the Unconscious mind inside of their psyche), the Son, so that all will honor the Son (through the altruistic love of others) even as they honor the Father (in the love for God: these two loves are the sum of the Torah and the prophets).
"

 

Yes, that's right. So your claim that only monotheism existed in 380 CE is bs.

 

He did?!!! Prove it.
Ireland, 8th century...not christian... but chrstians were bullying their way towards dominance with murder , politics, wars, bloodshed, torture, sexual oppression(except for those in power , of course),...all those goddie things...

And I'm sure with a little googling there'd be other countries.....Oh, ya . like the United States....I don't think christianity had been shoved down the native's throats yet....

 

I don't care if I'm wrong or not. I prefer to stick to the fact Jesus died for my sins. If I'm right, I'm on my way to Heaven, if not (assuming my old viewpoint as an Atheist is right), then the dark void that is death. It won't bother me none if that's the case because I'll be dead. Although, I hope it's not, because otherwise, life would be meaningless. None of our landmarks will stand the test of time. Beauty fades. Children turn on their parents and vice-versa. Not to mention, there's some people that end up never having children, whether they don't want or can't have any. What's the point if everyone's proof of existence will eventually fade into obscurity one day?

If faith makes me feel like there's a meaning, then so be it. If makes me feel more complete, then so be it. If it turns out to be the truth, then so be it. I'll be in Heaven. I just hope as many of you come to terms with that one day, before you appear before the judgement seat. Truth be told, I don't want to see dismissed as "unfaithful servants" or "ye who work iniquity." After my salvation, it makes me sick when people want to see others "burn in hell," especially when so-called fellow Christians say it. (like with Ray Lewis recently) If he's saved, he's going to Heaven, like it or not and if you're a Christian, you should be rejoicing that he got saved and hopefully is a changed man, not bashing him and wanting to "burn in hell."

 

I think you have a problem with "group identity" which exist within christianity. It exist in all groups but since christianity or other theist groups are so large they are easily the worst offenders.

Group identity allows individuals to judge and condemn anyone outside their group and often allows them to rationalize and meet out punishment to others simply for their inability or unwillingness to conform.

Within religious doctrine there are many warnings against this type of thinking and behavior. Of course many converts ignore this, but it would be unfair to say that theist religion promotes mindless violence against others.

People will always want to belong, and the dark side of that is that some people will always despise the different or contrary people.