Support for same sex marriage at an all time high

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  1. Goldwater

    Goldwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's as ridiculous as the idea that people will try to legalize marriage to animals.

    Simply a retarded thing to say.

    Gays have gay sex all the time, and have throughout human history, and will soon be able to be legally married everywhere in the US.

    Deal with it.
     
  2. rahl

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    nope. two men can't marry. neither can two women. but a man can marry a woman. unequal.


    my argument is of course not moot, seeing as how federal court after federal court keeps agreeing with me.

    nobody has argued that gay is a third gender. the argument is that people are being denied the right to marry, based on gender. And that is not allowed.
     
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    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    What about the right to marry more than one spouse that should be legal too to be equal in your world.

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    What about the right to marry more than one spouse that should be legal too to be equal in your world.
     
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    file a lawsuit in federal court
     
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    every dead pope is turning in their grave... hehehe.

    The crack between church and state still aint big enough though.
     
  6. Goldwater

    Goldwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Last I remember...I thought Dixon was in his 20's. I could be wrong though...but your point is valid
     
  7. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    You're only gripe with homosexuals is that you don't want them to use 'your' word? How shallow...
    Well I'm here to tell you that you can't own a word that's been around for nearly 1000 years.
    It's free to anyone to be used however they want, and if you don't like the way they use it,
    though, then don't use it that way, but You've no right to tell others how to use it,
    because again, its not your word, you do not own it,
    and have no exclusive right to its uses.

    -Meta
     
  8. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    That's certainly debatable. But regardless of whether one considers homosexuality a behavior, a state of being, or something in between,
    the important thing to consider is that whatever it is, it is something that does not particularly impact those who do not participate in it.

    -Meta
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    If the government would allow Bob to marry Sally but wont let Samantha marry Sally because of Samantha's gender relative to Samantha,
    that's gender discrimination! Discrimination based on gender.

    -Meta
     
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    Perhaps. As long as same sex marriage entitlement (i.e. fiscal benefits) is differentiated from equality and marriage. Otherwise, YOU are a single-phobe.
     
  11. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    You assume incorrectly.

    -Meta
     
  12. dudeman

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    Perhaps you can tell me the hypocrisy of your argument then? Let's all form a coalition for tax breaks, inheritance and healthcare deferment and screw over the last remaining minority? Don't you think the "gay" population will increase if some ridiculous law is passed, or are you in favor of video cameras in everyone's house so that the FBI can confirm homosexuality?
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm sorry, but you lost me. There is no hypocrisy in what I said though, which leads me to believe you are assuming something about me,
    which most likely is not true. Why don't you explain then your proposed solution to the larger issue?

    -Meta
     
  14. CKW

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    No. That is gay behavior discrimination. Gender is physical. Sally pairing up with Samantha is a behavior--an action. The genders---male and female--are treated equally under the law--with both genders adhering to same policy requirement.

    If the constitution protected sexual attraction or orientation as a "right"--meaning all sexual attractions/Orientations are equal under the law--then proper adherence would mean we couldn't discriminate against any sexual attraction/Orientation.
     
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    Throw the gays a bone (no pun intended). Give them marriage equality and simultaneously get rid of all tax breaks and fiscal benefits associated with marriage. It is by definition discriminatory and was only "justified" when the intention of the country was to increase its population and offer stability to the family.
     
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    I already defeated this argument by showing you he comparison to interracial marriage
     
  17. Meta777

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    Lol, LMFAO! And I suppose its interracial behavior discrimination to tell an interracial couple they can't get married?
    Face it, you lost this argument before it even began...

    ...but just to beat a dead horse even more,...

    Race is physical. Black-Steve pairing up with Lady-White is a behavior--an action. The races---Black [sic] and Caucasian--are treated equally under the law--with both races adhering to same policy requirement.

    If the constitution protected sexual attraction or orientation as a "right"--meaning all sexual attractions/Orientations are equal under the law--then proper adherence would mean we couldn't discriminate against any sexual attraction/Orientation.


    Also note, that what the constitution protects is the right not to be arbitrarily discriminated against,
    especially on the basis of race, national origin, religion, and or gender.

    -Meta
     
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    No, you didn't. I defeated your argument by explaining how race and gender are physical attributes--and the physical attributes is what is protected.

    You admit that gay isn't a gender. But you are trying to make it a race--its not that either. Just like marriage between a brother and sister isn't a racial or gender ---neither is it when it comes to gays or sexual orientation.

    PLUS--you argument doesn't work because you discriminate against sexual orientation/attraction when it meets certain criteria that YOU designate--Consent.

    That is the same thing as protecting Asians and whites but discriminating against blacks---due to a personal criteria that someone chooses that excludes blacks from the same treatment under the law.

    You can't discriminate when you make sexual orientation/attraction a constitutional right.
     
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    That doesn't seem unreasonable, though I personally think any transition of benefits should be gradual.
     
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    Fair enough. Phase them out over 5-8 years. Why is this such a political problem in the USA?
     
  21. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    We really hate gay people over here. Well, some of us do anyway. Come to think of it, some of us really hate a lot of things.
    Gays, blacks, whites, Hispanics, guns, Hispanics with guns, gun laws, laws-in-general, apple pie, oh,...and all various forms of equality.
     
  22. dudeman

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    Are you Obama?
     
  23. CKW

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    Sorry Meta---you are so off base. What you are doing is what we call a twist of words...and that is to make sexual orientation a protected status by twisting it into gender discrimination. But the government is not discriminating against a gender. You need sexual orientation in that clause.
     
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    Huh? No. And in case you were confused by what I wrote, I wasn't saying that I personally hate those things.
    In fact, there are actually very few things which I hate.
     
  25. dudeman

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    But you clearly "moved the goalposts" like Obama. Are we now discussing UFO's or gays? Should I call you Barack or Meta?
     
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