Do unto others as you would have others do unto you

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  1. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    I would like to know how Christians interpret Matthew 7:12

    Can we condemn an action without fear of facing condemnation from others because we do not do the thing we condemn?

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    By condemning others do we set our self up for condemnation?

    How does a Christian reconcile Matthew 7:12 with John 8:7

    Matthew 7:12

    “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets. -English Standard Version

    http://bible.cc/matthew/7-12.htm

    John 8:7

    And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” -English Standard Version

    http://bible.cc/john/8-7.htm
     
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    It seems to me that reconciling the two verses is self evident. They dovetail pretty nicely.
     
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    Do unto others 20% better than you would expect them to do unto you to correct for subjective error.
     
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    Love the sinner, hate the sin.

    Since no one is free from sin, there is no need to reconcile the verses.
     
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    The verses can be reconciled through other verses:

    "1Cr 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
    1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
    1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
    1Cr 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
    1Cr 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

    Judging those things, that you spoke of, through the Spirit which God has given us allows us to judge the acts of other people when we are not making the same offense. Spiritual discernment is the judge.
     
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    Aren't Christians supposed to judge angels?
     
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    Christians have the authority to judge all things... you make of it what you want... but of course you are not an authority on the subject.. so I am pretty sure that what you make of it won't amount to much of anything.
     
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    How far can you walk on water?
     
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    What does that have to do with judging 'all things'?
     
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    You confuse condeming an action with condemning a person who acts or fails to act.

    This is analogous to the difference between saying some idea is stupid, as opposed to accusing the person who offered the idea of being Stupid.

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  11. robini123

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    When it comes to religious judgment things become a bit more muddled. For example I once was told that I am going to hell because I listen to Heavy Metal. So not only was it a judgment of my music, but my soul as well... that's how I took it anyway.
     
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    You need to quit giving credence to these people. I study scripture every morning, and I've yet to see anything about music being sinful. And as a side note, I was studying the book of Ephesians this morning with AC/DC playing on TV.
     
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    It was meant to be about how to treat other believers in Christ. And the other passage was to proclaim that the Church should be involved in the issuance of death penalties, since every Church Member was guilty of a sin. It took the responsibility of carrying out justice off of the people and placed it on the Church.
    The only person there who was without sin and able to cast the first stone was Jesus, and he gave her grace. The Church represents Jesus on earth, so they have to power to execute criminals. The problem with things today is the separation we have between the Church and the Government. So this is also a statement claiming that the Church needs to be involved in the Government.
     
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    A monotheocracy is a scary thought. History has many examples of theists doing horrible things in the name of God. A theocracy is great if you are a believer... but not so good for those who are not or who are of a different faith.
     
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    Why does it sem thqt whenever people mention seperation of Churh and State, it's about religion making government bad but never about government making religion bad for their own selfish goals?
     
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    Is the God of Christianity really so feeble as to be subverted by man?
     
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    God? No. People? Yes.
     

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