Margaret Thatcher dead...

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  1. william walker

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    By not giving in to the IRA? And nearly being murdered by them.
     
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    Established mainstream historical political narratives invariably emenate from the pens of the ruling class and their lackeys. These hacks will ensure the destructive Thatcher legacy will be a favourable one - at least among their circle. However, the vast majority of the masses aren't easily fooled. Objective historical memory acts as a potent reminder ensuring ruling class illusions of grandeur are kept in check. It has always been so. Our history has never been their history and it never will be so, regardless of how many statues of Thatcher they erect in their futile attempts to convince us otherwise.
     
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    Ohh I think in some ways the ira, and Irish republicanism in general owe her a debt of gratitude, she was a great recruiter for them.

    The laws in acted in NI under her direction where absolutely insane, members of certain parties not being able to talk on tv with out government censorship and voice overs etc, she was a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing nut.
     
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    It was Baroness Thatcher's foreign policy which contributed to her popularity after the Falklands War but her tight monetary policy fuelled a strong pound, which caused the destruction of manufacturing capacity of Britain and the decline of a key exporting sector. As the first female national leader in the Cold War era, she was too keen on proving socialism wrong by implementing radical supply-side reforms and she sacrificed Britain's long-term national interests with the demise of the nation's manufacturing and mining industries.
     
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    I'm sorry was she a tad too rough on the IRA for your tastes? If I remember right her colleagues were targeted and even murdered by certain Irish militants and even herself was almost killed. Not saying that Ireland shouldn't have been independent but expecting her to go have tea and some biscuits after these events is well... naïve. How else would she have acted other than with an iron fist and determination? She acted like many leaders would who had the balls to stand up for what they believe in.
     
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    Didn't you fellows have a big riot a year or so ago? How do you like those no go zones and no way to defend yourselves?
     
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    Ruling class bad blah blah blah still touting politics over looking at her as a person and what she achieved and that is a sad crime in my eyes. I don't even agree with half of what Thatcher believed in but I am not blind enough to not see her for what she was. A strong woman. But then again, some people believe that a strong woman can only be celebrated if they are from the left. Do tell, are you one of them?
     
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    Indeed, you are right. Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness fooled millions of gullible Irishmen, not only those living both north and south but in the US as well.
     
  9. william walker

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    So terrorists supporters weren't allowed to be heard on TV, I see no problem with that. The IRA saw her as a threat and tryed to murder her, for that there was going to be a backlash against them, not only from the British state, but also the British people.
     
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    The riots in question surrounded her introduction of the hated Poll Tax. This was introduced in Scotland first and resulted in the Tory party's virtual extinction there. Had the devolved Scottish parliament not included an element of proportional representation, there would be NO Tory MP's there.
    There are no "no go" areas, they are a racist fabrication.
     
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    The Iron Lady has truly "melted". She can live forever in the British Museum together with the Mummy of Cleopatra from Thebes.
     
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    Silencing opposing political parties sounds like we should all be against, but then I understand some people only want their side heard.
     
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    No some people don't support the political wing of terrorists groups.
     
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    Here lies Thatcher, who condemned Nelson Mandela as a ' terrorist ' and died in the Ritz Hotel.

    Other epitaphs welcomed.
     
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    And then exhibited in a museum.

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    Did she? Like what? What was her legacy?
     
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    Why?

    I did not like her when alive, why would I fawn now that she has done what everyone does - dies?
     
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    Whoever passes by, go tell the world

    Here lies my bones

    Hard as iron at the zenith of my power

    As British Prime Minister,

    But soft as the butter in my father's grocery

    As they melt like iron in the inferno of dementia.

    Though I may sink gradually into oblivion,

    Forget me not:

    I am Margaret Hilda Thatcher.
     
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    Why are people in Britain celebrating the death of Margaret Thatcher?

    If you find the scenes of celebration in Britain at the death of Margaret Thatcher confusing or distasteful, it may well be helpful to remember some of the less well publicised aspects of recent British history.

    Thatcher’s economic policies are strangely remembered as being successful and bold when in fact, they were largely destructive and counter-productive, When she was elected in 1979, Great Britain was at close to full employment. Her government created mass unemployment through extreme Monetarist policies (which they abandoned quietly in the mid-eighties when they clearly weren’t working, even to the Conservatives). Over two million manufacturing jobs were ultimately lost in the recession of 1979-81. By 1983, manufacturing output had dropped by 30% from 1978. Employment in Britain has never fully recovered.

    The War against Argentina.

    While for some the Falklands conflict was Margaret Thatcher’s ‘finest hour’, and earnt her the title the ‘Iron Lady’, it should be remembered that she personally gave the order to sink the Argentinian battleship Belgrano when it was no threat to the British fleet and far outside of the ‘Total Exclusion Zone’ declared around the Falklands. In doing so she broke the Navy’s own rules of engagement in sinking a World War 2 vintage battleship that had precisely no chance whatsoever against the modern Royal Navy. A political gesture designed to show her strength and resolution that needlessly killed 323 sailors.

    She also supported and was a close personal friend of General Pinochet, who in turn, supported and aided her in the Falklands conflict. The Rettig Report found that at least 2,279 persons were conclusively murdered by the Chilean government for political reasons during Pinochet’s regime, and the Valech Report found that at least 30,000 persons were tortured by the government for political reasons. Thatcher’s response to this was to invite Pinochet to tea.

    The War against the British people

    Thatcher’s culture of using the Police as paramilitary shock troops against the people of Britain started with the heavy handed and overtly racist policing that helped contribute to the Brixton and Toxteth riots and was developed in the Miner’s Strike of 1984-5.


    The Battle of Orgreave.

    This culminated in shameful incidences like the 1984 Battle of Orgreave, which the South Yorkshire Police has recently voluntarily referred itself to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) over. At Orgreave. the Police provoked violence, charged the retreating miners, and then systemically lied about it. Ninety-five picketers were charged with riot, unlawful assembly and similar offences after the battle. A number of these were put on trial in 1987, but the trials collapsed, all charges were dropped and a number of lawsuits were brought against the police for assault, unlawful arrest and malicious prosecution. South Yorkshire Police later agreed to pay £425,000 compensation and £100,000 in legal costs to 39 pickets in an out of court settlement. Nevertheless, no officers were disciplined for misconduct. Michael Mansfield QC described the evidence given by South Yorkshire Police as “the biggest frame-up ever”. The media reported the Police’s version and public opinion turned irreversibly away from sympathy for the Miners.

    The Battle of the Beanfield.

    Thatcher’s war against the British people then moved onto ‘New Age Travelers’, especially ‘The Convoy’, a large aggregation of travellers that had formed around the Stonehenge free festivals. In a co-ordinated, pre-meditated attack, the Battle of the Beanfield was initiated by the Wiltshire Constabulary after a stand-off lasting several hours, when members of the police attacked the procession by forcefully entering the field in which the vehicles were contained, methodically smashed windows, beating people about the head with truncheons, used sledgehammers to break and damage the interiors of their vehicles, dragging a pregnant woman out of her vehicle and arresting the convoy members.

    The Battle of Trafalgar

    Thatcher’s undoing may have been instigating the Poll Tax, or ‘Community Charge, a deeply regressive tax levied ‘per head’ that meant that a typical millionaire living alone in a mansion would pay less than a working couple, or family. This created more widespread protests that culminated in the riot in Trafalgar Square, or ‘Battle of Trafalgar’. After having waged campaigns against organised labour, the miners, ravers ( through ‘The Criminal Justice Act’ that criminalized gatherings ‘wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats’) and hippies, a general attack on the poor proved to be a step too far. It also demonstrated a deep ignorance and disregard for British folk memory which still remembered the hated reputation of the Poll Tax of 1380 and its association with the subsequent Peasants’ Revolt. Far from being the ‘patriot prime minister’, she was a sworn enemy to many different segments of British society, especially the working classes, poor and disadvantaged.


    Comfortable’ with apartheid … and paedophiles

    She was also ‘comfortable’ with Apartheid, refused to sanction the South Africa government and according to Geoffrey Howe, one of her closest allies, Mrs Thatcher regarded the Nelson Mandela’s ANC as a ‘typical terrorist organisation’, as late as 1987. In addition to this one of her closer friends, who spent 11 New Years celebrations with her, was the serial paedophile Jimmy Savile, responsible for hundreds of cases of rape and sexual abuse, including abuse of the mentally ill and prison inmates. Savile’s abuse was ‘common knowledge’ at the BBC and at other institutes that he worked at. That MI5 hadn’t vetted Savile, or did not know of his activity, beggars belief since he was also friendly with members of the ‘Royal Family’.

    A legacy of division

    Margaret Thatcher’s legacy, as the former London Mayor Ken Livingstone has pointed out, is a divided nation that still suffers from economic and social ills of her failed policies and unparalleled aggression towards her own people. She lived into old age, supported by the state and never faced trial for any of her crimes against the people. The celebrations of many British people are not generally aimed at her as a private person, but as a public figure who was culpable for creating a culture of division and conflict. Her legacy, unfortunately, still endures, (albeit in a sanitized form) within the current government, who are currently enforcing wide cuts to state benefits that are the economic punishment for the failures and excesses of the runaway banking culture and the ultimate product of her free market policies of deregulation. It is a brief moment of respite and celebration in an otherwise downward spiral of economic and social warfare that history will hopefully remember Margaret Thatcher as a principal- and losing- protagonist in.

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  19. Oddquine

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    Funny that.....she is the person who weaned this feminist off feminism!
     
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    Some British pals of mine are saying that the song "Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead" has been playing on their radio stations.

    Here's how the people of England & Scotland have marked the death of the old witch:


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    Gotta love these wonderful people for speaking the truth unlike the reich wing America media with its incessant pro fascist lies.
     
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    But those subsequent Labour Governments continued using the Thatcher road map. So really it is Thatchers policies/influence which have destroyed the UK past repair...because every Government since has continued following her path towards its destruction. Since she died you have to roll your eyes at the continually repeated snippet of her quoting Francis of Assisi..because she accomplished none of that sound-bite of wishful thinking...in fact, she accomplished, between her own policies, and those of her sycophantic followers in all successive governments. exactly the opposite.
     
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    Right wingers on this forum and elsewhere celebrated like it was New Year's and the emergence of a new Jesus when Hugo Chavez died. Did you object, then?
     
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    Your post and the others here that show a deep down vile, is testimony to the sickness of the left. And only makes her shine.
     
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    Thatcher herself claimed her greatest achievement was Tony Bliar and his Nulabour party. She moved her opposition to the right.
     
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    I couldn't give a flying f*ck about her personal life. It's what she did to Britain during her political career which is the salient point, and that is what she'll be remembered for.
    There are families in the north east of England and in the Welsh valleys still suffering the legacy of her misrule, decades after she left politics.
    The witch is dead!
     

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