COP: ‘I’m Going to Grab Your Baby, and Don’t Resist’

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  1. way2convey

    way2convey Well-Known Member

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    This is an unbelievable story.
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/29/im-going-to-grab-your-baby-and-dont-resist-cops-barge-into-cali-parents-home-take-their-baby-after-they-seek-2nd-medical-opinion-and-its-on-video/
    Yes, there is a video at the link and it's heart wrenching.

    If ever there was a reason to question the authoritarian system so embraced by some in this country this is it. Child Protective Services (CPS) comes in without a warrant, steals a BABY out the mothers arms, drags the child out and puts him in a hospital and after two weeks allows the mother in for only 1 hour. It's absolutely insane and I hope these parents will soon be reunited with their child. I also hope whoever at CPS is responsible will be publicly disgraced & fired.
     
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    SourD New Member Past Donor

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    If that was me and my kid I would have put a bullet between their eyes and said I thought it was a kidnapping.
     
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    This reminds me of Nazi Germany.

    The lib nanny state is running wild with power.
     
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    Not commenting on whether the actions taken in this particular case were right or wrong, honestly we don't have enough information; but so you know police can enter your home sans warrant if they have a legitimate concern that someone is in danger. Even if it later bears out that no one is in danger if they had a legitimate belief that there was, they dont have to obtain a warrant.

    Give you an example. When I was on serving no knock warrants we were once waiting for a warrant to enter a home , the judge was actually in the process of signing the warrant and then it was to be brought to us, but in the mean we could hear a woman screaming for her life in the house, me and the state trooper I was partnered with that night made entry to find the "man" of the house beating the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of his wife. We arrested him for that then started searching before the warrant arrived. All perfectly legal.
     
  5. way2convey

    way2convey Well-Known Member

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    Not questioning the legality, but if you read the entire story and watch the video you can't help but question the action taken by CPS and the officers involved. There was NO iminate danger to the child. A doctor gave them an all clear to take the child home. So why would CPS make the call to have this child snatched away in the first palce? It's WRONG!
     
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    way2convey Well-Known Member

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    I doubt you're alone. I can't image letting anyone, even a cop, just barge into my home, terrorise my wife and steal my child.

    - - - Updated - - -

    The father said basically the same thing. He was right.
     
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    Karma Mechanic Well-Known Member

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    please stop with the Nazi comparisons until they target a particular group, snatch the baby and smash it against the wall. And can we have a link that isn't a conspiracy website?
     
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    Whoever is responsible for sending the police there should be put up against a wall and shot.
     
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    Dang right. But we dont know the WHOLE story yet. Only one side.
    But yea, try coming in my home? Not going to end well for you.
     
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    way2convey Well-Known Member

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    Oh, really? Well, how about ABC....the video is theirs. Unless going to The Blaze is far more desturbing to you than event itself.
     
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    way2convey Well-Known Member

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    Shootings to quick. First, if it's man, I say leave them in a room alone with the husband, no cameras, .. for say..15/30min. Then, if they're still breathing...shoot the MF in the most painful areas, one bullet at a time......
    If it's a woman, air drop her in Iran without a stitch of clothing.
     
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    Oh, Puhl-leaze! :roll:

    CPS gets a call from the hospital that some parents grabbed their child out of the hospital against doctors advice and no instructions for care, a child with, in the report from Sutter, a child with an immediately serious and critical heart condition.

    With a report like that from Sutter, CPS has no choice but to take action and ensure continued care for the baby. Right or WRONG, because of SUtter's repot, they had a STRONG BASIS for concern and IMMEDIATE ACTION, which means CPS's action is NOTHING like "Nazi Germany", much less "nanny states" or other ridiculous ideas.

    If they hadn't acted, the same people would be whining how the "Liberals FAILED to protect a child"! :roll:

    My past familiarity with Sutter leave me to think they are not a particularly good hospital, and I applaud the parents for getting the baby somewhere else for a follow, if that is the case.

    But grabbing the baby and running without care is dangerous, and getting the baby to hopefully a more rational 3rd party to determine care could very well be the best plan. I speak from experience of a dead brother to say that potential heart infections kill or disable a child's heart quickly.

    Maybe these parents will have a fantastic lawsuit against Sutter, but CPS did the appropriate action for a situation that could be, as far as they knew based on doctor's reports, deadly and immediately life-threatening.
     
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    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

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    If they can form death panels, they can pretty much do anything. Thanks Obama!!

    [video=youtube;tDnvmOQDkkw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDnvmOQDkkw[/video]
     
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    So...on nothing more than the word of a "medical professional", the state can slam you into the ground, rip your keys out of your pocket, break in your home without a warrant, and snatch your child out of your wife's arms....

    JUST IMAGINE what would happen with Obamacare "medical professionals" and federal "background" checks for firearms.

    no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing thanks.
     
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    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, if a doctor practicing in an accredited hospital reports that a child with a deadly heart condition/infection has been grabbed and rippded out of a hospital bed without ANY information/support/care or help from the doctors treating that child, indeed, it is quite APPROPRIATE that that child be able to be given to the care and medical care of professionals until the situation can be determined.

    People charged with looking out for the safety of children need to take immediate action to fully check it out at times, and this was one where they had every reason to do so. That baby very likely belonged in a hospital, whatever the reason.

    Given the rather irrational story given by the parents, frankly, we can be fairly certain that it will turn out to be the right thing to have done, too.

    The baby has a heart condition, and obviously some new event/illness/problem has the parents taking the baby to the ER. Just to walk out is a very drastic course and likely dangerous.. There is no way they are going to start cutting without their permission without a court order.
    PS. Reading farther, we see the INSANE REALITY! To grab your baby up out of a CARDIAC ICU is insane. There are procedures to get a second opinion with unplugging an infant from ICU monitoring and treatment. These parents should be jailed.
     
  16. way2convey

    way2convey Well-Known Member

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    Yea, except the parents took him from one hospital to another. Not exactly an endangerment situation. Then, despite the fact the parents had an all clear from the second hospital doctor, police abuse the father, enter the home and grab the baby which CPS has kept for at least two weeks! WTF is wrong with you that you don't see something wrong with that?
     
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    way2convey Well-Known Member

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    Wrong, whoever the cretin was at CPS that didn't do their job should be jailed or worse.
     
  18. fifthofnovember

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    Did you not read the part about how they immediately took the baby to another hospital for a second opinion (because they were getting crappy care at Sutter), and the doctor said the baby was fine to go home with the parents? Did you miss the part where the cops already showed up (at the second hospital), and upon hearing this information, left? So then they come back a day later (because it was such an emergency), rough up the father, and perpetrate a home invasion. This, my friends, is why you need an AR-15 with a 30 round magazine.
     
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    Your point would stand if they didn't immediately take the child to another hospital where police met them and spoke with them, but they did.

    I would have done the same thing, especially considering that a nurse gave the baby some medicine, was asked what it was, and replied "I don't know". Later they found out it was antibiotics that should not have been administered.

    I'm 100% with the parents. Especially considering if they were saying the procedure was against their religion, they would just be free to go without giving the baby any care even if something so simple as a blood transfusion would save it's life.
     
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    Thanks, folks....as it was pretty obvious someone hadn't read the article, I didn't wan't to waste time responding.
     
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    So, what if the man had opened fire on the cops entering his house without a warrant?

    I see those guys as criminal trespassers.

    Is it legal to defend yourself against police when they are committing a crime against you?

    In this case I would have feared for the safety of my whole family in a manner that would justify opening fire on the intruders.
     
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    You, your spouse, and your child would have been horribly killed.
     
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    <IF> Marius New Member

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    And as soon as evidence comes forward to show that the new doctor was given the same information as the other hospital and had examined the baby to determine it wasn't in need of medical treatment as the other hospital was giving her and that a third party medical professional establishes that the other hospital was wrong and the child did not need immediate treatment...

    Then you'll have a point. Right now all we have is a very legitimate reason for CPS to take back the child and the parents already shakey story. If they had gone to another doctor and simplified the symptoms while not giving a full medical history so that she would be just another baby that was feeling a little sick and sent home officially with them then they had put their child in deliberate harms way and CPS should've been involved.

    So I suggest everyone here going on about Obama or death panels do that one bit of research. Find out through reputible sources whether or not:

    - The new doctor was given the same information as the other hospital.

    - Had examined the baby to determine it wasn't in need of medical treatment as the other hospital was giving her.

    - Third party medical professional established that the other hospital was wrong and the child did not need immediate treatment.

    It will solve ALL the issues involved with this case and thread. So everyone help out and look for those bits of information from sources other than simply the parents saying so.
     
  24. fifthofnovember

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    Well, when your home is being invaded by armed men, not resisting could get you killed too. Would you rather go out fighting, or on your knees?
     
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    Would you do it when there was a submachine gun pointed at your baby?

    Thought not?
     

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