COP: ‘I’m Going to Grab Your Baby, and Don’t Resist’

Oh dear, is that really the best you can come up with? You've been desperately raging at a completely justified medical and CPS decision and now you think that's an argument?

No.

It's amazing that you can't seem to grasp what an intensive care unit is. Being stablised in an ICU doesn't mean it's safe to take them out of it.

The second opinion that you have yet to provide evidence of recieving any of the same information about?

Making up a ridiculous claim, the child didn't instantly die after being removed form ICU therefore it can't have been very sick, and then backing that up with the "second opinion" that so far has no evidence of being informed or even being told the child is sick of, is not an argument.

I can take a child in and get a doctor to declare it well. But because they were looking at cold instead of a heart problem that required cardiac ICU, my note saying "the babies well enough to go home" means (*)(*)(*)(*).

So, as you've been already asked for, provide something to back up the claim that this doctor was informed of the same symptoms and issues that the child was admitted for cardiac ICU for in the first place and you'll have an argument.

Because you've deliberately ignored everything already shutting down an ignorant conclusion.

Removing a child from intensive care without permission is severe neglect. And until you can prevent some sort of evidence to show the other doctor knew of the issues involved, since all but a (*)(*)(*)(*)ty doctor would think a child that was in cardiac ICU only an hour beforehand was "okay to go home" without any tests, your entire argument rests on the claim that a hospital just likes to randomly lie and have children taken away instead of the neglectful parents being the ones who did not inform the second doctor as to where the child was.

Just a heads up: Your child is NOT your property. You don't get to directly put it in harm by being neglectful and removing it from cardiac ICU because you "wanna".

The state does get to call the shots in such a situation. Just as they would if you thought it was okay to molest your children. Because, who would've thought, they are not your property.

 

Ah yes, the medical conspiracy theory already emerging.

Doctors like to just have children taken away for (*)(*)(*)(*)s and giggles apparently. Even when they can't authorise heart surgery without the parents permission or a legal governmening body to get those "thousands upon thouands" in the first place. That's much more logical than the parents lying after being directly shown to have severely neglected the health of their child.

 

Right, but do you think gun control serves no purpose? Should people that have committed violent crimes with firearms be able to go in a gun shop and buy a gun with no questions asked?

My question was pertaining to the legal ramifications of firing on a police officer. I have a very strong bias against police officers due to never having a positive interaction with one in my entire life.

I think you are mistaken in thinking that is the only purpose gun control serves.

 

If youve never had a positive encounter with a police officer in your life you need to reevaluate your life rather than blame police.

Thats fact not opinion.

 

Complete fabrication! Can't Obama-haters quit their absurdities for even a MOMENT?

There is NOTHING in Obamacare that makes that happen, in fact, we people and medical professionals will have even MORE say in the medical care we receive because it REQUIRES insurance companies to cover a broad range of medical care to a MINIMUM standard. Right now, the insurance companies are fairly free to say "Naa, naa, we didn't mean we would pay for THAT in your policy!"

 

you would have a point, if all the evidence didnt show they took care of their child just fine. all they did was go get a second opinion, these parents took their child to the hospital over a simple cold. but i wouldnt expect you to pay attention to the evidence or anything.

 

That's why they make guns and bullets.

 

If the case goes to trial the jurors can set things right by awarding the parents $10 million from the first hospital, doctors, and nurse. After a slew of awards like that they will change the "law".

 

The evidence? The evidence shows that they removed a child from a cardiac ICU against doctors orders.

Not "didn't take the child to the doctor", not "denied heart surgery" but took the freakin' child out of an INTENSIVE CARE UNIT on a whim. And thankfully such negligence was met with CPS.

"But but they were taking care of their child". NO they were NOT. Or are you just be so deliberately ignorant that you think child protection only applies to deliberate neglect?

Once you confirm with a reliable source other than the parents simply saying so that:

- The new doctor was given the same information as the other hospital.

- Had examined the baby to determine it wasn't in need of medical treatment as the other hospital was giving her.

- A third party medical professional established that the other hospital was wrong and the child did not need immediate treatment.

Then you will have all the evidence you need to back up your ridiculous secretly-hospitals-are-evil-and-hate-children conspiracy theories. Until then, you won't have much of an argument.

 

I bet there is more to this story than revealed here. Cops don't just show up on your doorstep and take your kids away without a good reason. Someone here is lying.

 

you would save your keyboard a few miles of use simply by watching the video about the story and reading the articles on the story. But once again, you are one of those "more government to take control of my life" kind of fellows so i wouldnt expect you to take the side of a couple who was wronged by your beloved government.

I guess you missed the part where the cops went to the second hospital to check things out and when it was explained to them their they didnt try to take the baby or anything because the baby was fine.

I guess you missed the opinion of the second doctor who said the baby was just fine and not in any danger and was safe to go home with the parents.

But again, i dont see you looking at the facts because you want to make up your own and try and pass your opinion as truth. Typical you!!!

 

Ah yes, you can't come up with an argument so you resort to that.

Sorry, it appears people pointing out the deliberate ignorance of those like yourself have actually read the article. Hence, you know, how we're able to point out the lack of facts supporting your claims.

Strangely enough i've got no problem with the government stepping in when parents deliberately put their childs life in danger. Strangely enough I don't think children are the property of their parents to be able to whatever they wish with them on a whim.

Oh dear, this is where your deliberate ignorance doesn't tend to work in the face of my repeated, specific posts on the subject.

The issue here is whether or not the parents gave the second doctor all the information the hospital decided to put the child into ICU with. Including the fact the child even was in ICU an hour or so beforehand. If I bring my child into a doctors office and say he has a cold and am I allowed to take my child home, a doctor will write the exact same note as he gave the parents and say "yes".

Currently you conspiracy theorists are arguing that for absolutely no reason, after already being found "legally" allowed to take their child home, the hospital and CPS decided to steal the child for (*)(*)(*)(*)s and giggles.

Strangely enough it appears that upon checking with the doctor it became apparent that the all clear was unrelated to the hospitals placement of the child in the ICU. Which means the parents not only took their child out a cardiac intensive care unit without authorisation but then lied about it to cover it up, otherwise the doctors discharge would've been enough to get their child back.

Strangely enough it appears that police and CPS don't just take people on their word. So expecting them not to make sure the second doctor discharged the child knowing the previous information doesn't help their case.

Facts have been presented. You're not admitted into ICU for fun. So already you're claiming a conspiracy from the get go.

That after re-checking police and CPS decided to return for the child must be because "hurr theys evil" is yet another hilariously unfounded conspiracy theory.

That we should believe the parents words over a hospital and two government agencies just highlights how truly desperate and deluded you conspiracy theorists go to ignore facts and reality.

As mentioned above, there is a very simple thing you can do that will completely back up your entire argument. And that is to find out with a reliable source whether or not:


- The new doctor was given the same information as the other hospital.

- Had examined the baby to determine it wasn't in need of medical treatment as the other hospital was giving her.

- A third party medical professional established that the other hospital was wrong and the child did not need immediate treatment.

Then you will be completely correct with your statements. Regarding the hospital of course. Since if the hospital lied, CPS still acted according to the information they were given justifiably.

 

you would have a point if thats all i posted, but of course ignoring reality that there was a complete response with reason. Tis once again typical you being you!!!!!

no not really, just a bunch a simpletons just like yourself who obviously have not read much of the article, and try and pass on your simpleton opinions off as truth. You are pretending to know the facts when nothing even points to anything you are saying. But we know we know, thall shalt not question government, they are never wrong and neither are the sheep they herd lol.

thats not strange coming from you. you are the kind of simpleton who would love it if the government told you when its ok to take a dump. and show me where the baby was in danger, its obviously still alive,kicking, happy and it hasnt had that "oh so importantly need right now or he is in serious trouble" surgery the 1st doctor demanded. But hey, who cares about facts eh???

oh dear, this is where you are gonna continue believing your opinion is 100% fact isnt it and keep on ignoring the reality of the baby's condition isnt it?

and you have proof they didnt? if the baby was in serious trouble why doesnt the state just go ahead and approve that almighty surgery the kid needs? obviously you dont have children because you have not a single clue on what a doctor checks on babies even for simple check up's do you? they check the heart beat amongst many other things. babies are more monitored during check up's than you can even imagine. If the baby had a heart murmur serious enough the second doctor would have caught it quite quickly and gave his professional opinion. And well that doc didnt find anything seriously wrong.

but i know i know, even though you never experienced ANY of this you automatically know better, because in your opinion it is so lol.

not a conspiracy theory at all really, doctors have been very much known in the past to prey on people just like an automechanic preys on those who are truly ignorant to the care of a vehicle. its not that far fetched to believe, especially in this instance. Dude, you are talking to a person who cared for a child with a hole in his heart and had 2 heart surgeries before he was 3, dont even try and pretend you know more (*)(*)(*)(*) about a kid in the hospital and how doctors treat them, check up on them as babies and even at times try to up the bill with unnecessary BS.

but im sure you know better, because your simpleton opinion is gonna tell you so right?

sounds to me like the doctor was trying to be aggressive and force them to take his opinion and got offended when the parents wanted to get a second opinion. sounds to me like the doctor was gonna force the surgery so the parents got their child before anything could be forced. so the doctor got mad, and in his anger of not getting his way or his paycheck called CPS and told a great story.

Yes, because police or CPS have never made any mistakes just like this in the past. Im sure they are 100% perfect, well that is as long as it fits your simpleton agenda of "the state knows whats best for you and you child more than you do" lol. you are such a joke.

and I will be proved correct, been here and done that. have a kid and know the game.

 

why people open the doors for anyone, especially cops, is beyond me.

 

It seems to me that the parents acted correctly in seeking a second opinion before the butchers cut open their baby. Dollars to doughnuts, this was the result of a shoddy doctor with a bruised ego seeking revenge.

 

This case illustrates why it's foolish to have children.

 

they didnt open the door, the cops came in on their own.

 

In what way do I need to reevaluate anything? My life is great, but that doesn't change the idea that I have never had a positive interaction with a police officer. How can you just assume that it is my fault?

 

LOL, conspiracy website? Why do you call it that? Actually, I think there should be a new thread started if you want to respond.

 

I don't think the hospital lied. But the actions taken by CPS is this case are highly questionable. Yes, the parents errored not getting a proper release from the first hospital. That's a techincal mistake they made, but police showed up at the second hospital where the parents had taken their child and could verify the child was in no danger. So, when was this child actually in danger? Answer, NEVER! So, why did CPS pursue such a harsh course of action in the first place?

An update to this incident:

So, it would appear the judge has confidence in the parents. Imagine that.
Bottom line, CPS made a big mistake. But, holding true to form, I'm sure they'll never admit it. In fact, I wouldn't doubt they'll go out of their way to harass this family for months trying to make a case against them. It's SOP for authoritarian government agencies like CPS.

 

Tell ya what pal, you try as a doctor holding one of my children against MY will.
And from the story the child was not in a life and death struggle as the first doctor said.
You will make a great little subject, you aint much of a free thinking citizen.

 

Garrantee that.

 

I support the parents in this case. However, If they hadn't gone for a 2nd opinion, if the other hospital and law enforcement hadn't given them the green light to go home, I'd support CPS.

As it stands, this certainly appears to be a case of overreaching government agencies abusing their power.

I typically support law enforcement officers, and typically despise those who engage in violence with the police, BUT if this case is what it appears to be, and the father had shot a couple cops, I wouldn't give much a (*)(*)(*)(*). The father would be more a martyr (in my eyes) than a criminal in that case.

 

I just read this story here: http://libertycrier.com/u-s-constitution/police-to-parents-im-going-to-take-your-baby-and-dont-resist/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LibertyCrier+%28Liberty+Crier%29. What has this country come to? If I went to my pediatrician, for any of my children, and they give my child medicine that they have no idea what they're giving them. A) I'd stop going there and B) I would look for another pediatrician. If anything changes with this story, which I have my doubts it will, then this is exactly the issues folks have been stating it's coming to.

We've literally become a nanny/police state. This country feels like they know what's best for everyone when they can't even fix their own lives. In yet, they wish to come into other people's lives and tell them how to live.

 

So predictably, defenders of this are progressive lefties....

Yes, pathological contrarians and laughably duplicitous "of means and ends" moonbats...
who are apparently, quite immune to what must be painful cognitive dissonance....

who will scream about the police state during their filthy, intrusive and vandalous OWS protests, who will scream about government intrusion into their bedrooms, wombs, phone calls and emails, who will scream about economic "unfairness" and "inequity"....

while not only defending and marching in lockstep behind the authoritarian, intrusive nanny/police state...while not only tending towards "the common good" and "collective rights" over those of the individual (as we see here) .... but demanding the authoritarian, intrusive nanny/police state do more to satisfy their "fair, socially and economically just" state collectivist agenda.

Baffling.