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  1. Alfalfa

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    Was Adam and Eve the first man and woman on earth?
     
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    Sounds like you've got a full argument but have only written down the first part. Care to tell us the entire thing?
     
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    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Adam & Eve were the first man/woman created in Eden, or Paradise...When they were ejected from Paradise they were thrust into a place that had other people. The Bible doesn't say they were the only "humanoid" creatures, but they were the ones in whom God breathed the breath of life which did make them singularly unique among all creation..

    Are you reading the creation story too literally?
     
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    So the flood was just a metaphor?
     
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    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is that what I said? No. I said it MIGHT be something other than LITERAL. I don't believe that some books of the Bible are supposed to be read as history...some are quite historical, though. the Bible is a collection of literature, you know--different genres written at different time periods for different purposes. It's silly to make blanket statement that supposedly sum up the Scriptures in a word or two.
     
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    So you're saying the bible is a work of well meaning fiction.
     
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    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If that's what you see there, so be it. It's not what I said at all, but you're free to either pretend to be or actually be ignorant and contrary.
     
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    Are you sure that expert is the right word ?!
     
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    It is a document that outlines the relationship between God and a group of people
     
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    I believe they were the first man and woman on earth with living souls. There's good reason to interpret the verse in Genesis ("God made Adam from the dust of the earth") in a less than purely literal sense, i.e., God commanded nature to bring forth all living creatures (which is quite clearly stated in the early chapters of Genesis), including man's animal species, and when nature began its work (a work that took billions of years), all it had to work with was what could figuratively be referred to as the "dust of the earth," i.e., earthly matter. Now, once nature brought forth man's physical species (homo sapiens), God selected one from among them (presumably the best from among them), Adam, into which to breath a living soul, thus making him only a little lower than the angels, and raising him above the other species of animals, to include other members of Adam's human species, by a nearly infinite degree. From Adam, God appears to have created a female clone, i.e., Eve. From that point onward, Adam, Eve, and their descendents (all of whom possessed living souls by descent from Adam) prospered while other members of the human species, those lacking living souls, gradually faded into oblivion. Thus, of those we term "human beings" today, all are descended from Adam and Eve, and that has likely been the case for all of recorded history.
     
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    All christians believe they're experts on the bible.
     
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    How does one transmit a "soul" to a child?
     
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    By descent from Adam.
     
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    What about Eve? Does it require two parents who have souls for a child of theirs to also have a soul?
     
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    Eve is descended from Adam....you know...that rib...
     
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    Didn't really answer my question, did it.

    Everyone is aware of the "rib" story.
     
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    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Eve is also descended from Adam. So......everyone is descended from Adam. So--No. The soul does not require Eve, but YES, people are born from men and women. Seems obvious that every human would have a soul since every human descends from Adam.

    Oh...I see what you're asking about in Ed's post. Human does not necessarily mean "Homo Sapiens Sapiens." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...t-interbreed-with-humans-scientists-find.html
     
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    No they don't, they believe that one woman is the ancestor of all modern humans but in no way do they believe she was first or ever the only woman. That is just a lie.
     
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    Eve was taken from Adam after Adam had received a soul, so she's descended from Adam as well, and received her soul-nature from Adam. All of their descendents, therefore, possessed souls, but Adam was the source of mankind's nature to possess (or, more precisely, to be) a soul. The Bible says that by the divine action of breathing the breath of life into Adam, man became a living soul, i.e., it became the nature of man (Adam's offspring) to possess a soul. In fact, it implies that it is the soul that is the man (not referring strictly to the male gender here, but rather to the species sense of the word man), thus all men (again, not referring to gender), by nature, possess (or, more accurately, are) a soul. Man-nature, then is to be a soul, thus all men (descendents of Adam) are souls existing within animal natures. In other words, it's the soul that is the man, not essentially the body, which descended originally form the dust of the earth, single cell organisms, multicellular organisms, worms, fish, etc., all the way to homo sapiens, by the process of Neo-Darwinian evolution.
     
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    So all the other people alive when Adam was created don't have souls?
     
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    According to my understanding, yes, but they weren't, apart from Adam (after receiving a soul), technically people, if people means men. Their nature was purely animal (possessed only of animal spirit), even if highly intelligent by the standard of other primates.

    The above, I assert, is the only way conceivable to square the Creation account in Genesis with anything but the most backwards understanding of the biological sciences without doing violence to either.
     
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    The guy who took my parking space yesterday was one of them.
     
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    Funny, Genesis calls them "men".
     

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