The Pathology of Leftist Denial

Why should I have to pay to have the government spy on me, start wars I don't agree with, give aid to Al Qaida, regulate family farms out of commission...? Good question!

 

Why pay for programs you won't use or want or feel are immoral? There is a Democratic Senator that believes we should be allowed to check off what programs we want to fund with our money. I'd be all for that. That's fair.

 

That's quite delightful! The term "try-hard" comes to mind, but I'll avoid the geeky internet speak for now and instead refute the "meat and potatoes" (that is, the substance" of what you're saying.
There, I'm done! Just kidding... read on.

I'd think, that after your experience with the YouTube 7th grader, you'd recognize the same behavior in yourself. That's a good deal too much to ask, isn't it?

This may be a new concept to you, but merely because you, or a self-styled intellectual blogger, claim "these are the arguments of the Libertarians" does not make it so.
It certainly makes it easier to refute the Libertarian mindset when you invent their arguments for them.
Unfortunately, this tactic is known as a "straw man" fallacy, and is not acceptable in any form of debate. Need a source for that?
Consequently, I've never seen witnessed so many thoughtful words thoughtlessly congregated - the effect, of course, being an incredibly minuscule portion of actual meaning cloaked in a veritable tapestry of pretended knowledge.

Rather, this article seems to be a most accurate description of why Libertarianism IS correct, if only the term "statist" replaced the term "libertarian."
The STATIST is the one who believes that the entire system can be monopolized under the regime of government, that every variable can be properly monitored and controlled - as though the whole economy is merely an experimental group in a laboratory! The STATIST is the one who attempts to place all of the information in the databanks of a processing unit without nearly enough Randomly Accessible Memory, intellectual advancement, or emotional drive to make use of this information. The reason the economy fails is A) the government is taking on more of the responsibility for the economy despite Federal inability to process information and enact commands, and B) the government is encouraging the same qualities of stupidity, laziness (that is, lack of emotional drive to perform), and ignorance, by enacting the following: generational dependence on handouts (lack of drive to perform); partisanship in lieu of free-thinking (ignorance); and historical revision based on political expediency (stupidity).

Furthermore, the article admits that "molecular aggregates coalesce to give rise to self-replicating assemblies"; in other words, without OUR help! This article has got to be a joke, because there isn't a single nybble of this information that supports your cause!!

As impressed as I am with the sophistication this author so pridefully claims as his own, you both have missed (purposefully) a great deal of the Libertarian thought structure.
It is a pleasure to enlighten the audience after such a woefully inaccurate article by a frighteningly misinformed (or misinforming) blogger.
The TRUE arguments of Libertarians, displayed for your viewing delight:

1) Liberty is a means unto itself. Anything that interferes with the freedom of the individual must be of secondary import - even tertiary, if necessary. Libertarianism is, first and foremost, that which protects the right of man to be beholden to no other man, save in such instances where one man attempts to exercise direct control over the actions, thoughts, or property of another.

2) Since there is no omniscient earthly ruler of the economy, the economy must rule itself - it is far too complex for central planning and statism, which always fails to grasp both the magnitude and the intricacy of the situation. As your article states, there is simply not enough processing power. Therefore, the "molecule" does what it does to itself, as per your article's illustration. Gee - I'm so glad you posted it, it's helping me prove your absurdly dishonest pseudo-intellectualism false.

3) Free market capitalism is BASED on greed; that is, capitalism assumes that greed does and will always exist. Again, it is the STATIST who chooses to believe that a government so powerful it cannot be opposed by the People is not subject to greed as the rest of humanity is.

4) Achieving perfection has never been an aim of Libertarianism. To assert such a thing when it is, in fact, the STATIST who attempts to create the Utopia (as evidenced in Communism, Fascism, Socialism, and so-called "Democracy") revered by all such dreamers, bastards, and fools as Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Caesar, Nero, Pol Pot, Mussolini, is the lowest nadir of sophistry. Do you not find it interesting that not a single one is even remotely libertarian? Rather, they are ALL ALWAYS STATISTS!

So now that you've been informed as to the REAL Libertarian arguments, and you've had your silly article expunged in the eyes of Reason, do you dare debate a REAL Libertarian?

Just be aware that, if you don't debate dishonestly, you will lose. Heads up.

 

So who is winning the race??

 

I pick... none of them. That seems damn fair to me.

 

People with good intentions are more easily convinced. We should be conversing with them rather than antagonizing.

Our value of liberty is only as valid as their value of equality. These things come from our natures, not any objective standard. It's fine that we conflict, but I think you'll find a lot on the left value liberty just as much as us, they're just a little confused as to what it constitutes. I was, after all.

 

Libertarianism is not a hard concept.It was born of The Age of Enlightenment (called that for a reason). As I stated in this post http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...tarians-so-brainwashed-18.html#post1062827180 I believe it is the next evolution of government societal structure because simply put the old ideas born of a cave (as BHK so eloquently phrased it) is shown not to work such as he Social Contract, Authoritarianism and MMT are all concepts perpetuated and supported by myths and logical fallacy. however, knowledge is power, which is why every authoritarian regime from the Pharohs to The Government of the United States places a high value of the ignorance of the populace. The internet is now here though, and the spread of Enlightenment simply can not be halted unless government successfully takes control of the medium.

 

As long as you intend to use absolutely no government services, that does seem fair. Since you of course do intend to, it is just childish entitlement of people who want all the services government provides (even the ones who pretend they don't), they just don't want to pay to have them.

 

It is not! The relationship between capitalism and greed is such that regardless of personal motives one can only succeed in a free marketplace by benefiting others.

 

Your petty orthographic asservation is an unwarranted aspersion upon many respected patriotic Americans, Jefferson included.

We are a People who are not slaves to the niggling dictates of hidebound quibbleninnies.

 

All the takers who refuse to acknowledge their debt to society need to do is stop taking.

If they are not dependent upon all that others have and continue to provide for them, going away should not be a hardship. Refusing to leave confirms their dependence and contradicts their delusion of autonomy.

 

Why should I? My family has been in this country since 1699.

That's what I'm saying to YOU and your leftist allies. Leave us patriots alone!

I recognize voluntary interdependence as being one of the most important things there is to the strength of a society. But that is not what you are promoting. You are promoting DEPENDENCE on the state, not interdependence between Americans. Leftists always act like they're so generous and compassionate, but that's only because it's someone else's money they're giving away. That's not generosity and compassion, it's pure laziness and apathy.

You couldn't care less what I think, yet here you are, posting lies in my thread and acting like a bratty little troll.

 

Repeating a lie does not make it true.

Federal drug laws and central banking, for starters. Nation-building and exporting democracy abroad, for another.

Too bad the GOP is not!

 

You were responding to a poster who was referring to me.

It's suffering from morbid obesity.

 

That is not what this is about. We will pay for whatever services we use. It's really that simple. We just don't want to be forced to pay for things we neither want nor need and often times consider grossly immoral.

 

Oh, you mean like the people who pay no income taxes yet expect free healthcare, education, and retirement? Those takers?

Unlike the Democratic base, we are not asking anyone to provide for us. We are perfectly fine paying for our usage of infrastructure and services as and when we need them.

No, refusing to leave is an act of defiance and an exercise of my natural rights. You think that just because I live within some imaginary geographic boundary that somehow I am obligated to pay up when an authority figure demands it. You have no logical foundation for this argument. It's just an arbitrary assertion of authority, fundamentally no different than a mafia boss charging people rent for "protection" services that they never asked for. It's gross immorality and backwards thinking of the highest order. I'd like to see you explain otherwise.

 

Excellent replies, homie.

 

I've never seen Ether ever mention interventionism, so I'll take your word. And since you speak for him now, is/was he against the interventions on Afghanistan and Iraq?, or Vietnam?, or Korea?. Hint: in order to be a true non interventionist Libertarian, you must be opposed to all.

Republicans wanted the drug war back in the 80's, and you don't hear much about it from either party anymore. I am all for legalizing all drugs, prostitution, and gambling. That's true social Libertarianism.

No they don't. Evangelicals want them back in the closet. Republicans don't want them to get married, and last I heard, Ether doesn't want them to get married. Libertarians don't want laws passed regarding gay marriage at the federal level either way.

Republicans want to outlaw abortion. Last I heard, so does Ether, and so do you. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly stand corrected and admit it.

Exactly, Bill O'Reilly is a prime example of a puritanical Republican, disguised as an Indepnedent.

However...it's easy to criticize everything and claim victimhood if you have the luxury of your ideas never having been practiced on a national scale. And political back seat driving is an easy trap to fall into for anyone

If someone espouses Libertarian principles, and is against gay marriage and abortion, which are the most relevant/popular issues regarding our liberty today...and...they voted for Mitt Romney last November...they might want to experience a little introspection themselves. Once again so you don't blow a gasket...I'm not saying I know what your answers will be.

 

Yet another theft-by-statism authoritarian cheerleader wanting you to "leave them alone"...I smell ironny. Like I stated before, the fact that libertarians are unwilling to steal from another makes their position de facto morally superior to those willing to support a body that has no right to steal from them in the first place. Reminds me of when a prosecutor demonizes the victim of a crime to allow their criminal client go free.

 

This thread is not about my personal beliefs, of which you have zero clue. Kindly refrain from trolling and derailing my thread with your petty lies.

 

If you won't let me take your money by force and spend it on political pet projects, then please just leave me alone!

 

I don't speak for him anymore than I speak for any other friend. I enlighten and clarify when people are wrongly accused. If someone accused you of something that I knew you weren't "for" I would do the same for you, although more begrudgingly.

Exactly.

He doesn't care if gays marry. His position is the same as mine which is: what the hell is the government doing in the marriage business anyway? It's like Home Depot selling ice cream.

I do? I believe I've said that abortion is a great moral evil but that I don't think the government has the moral authority to legislate against it.

No, he's a progressive.

This nation had maybe federal 100 laws at its founding. America was an experiment in libertarianism. It wasn't until 250 years later after the progressive ideology of "greater good" infiltrated both parties.

Ethereal didn't vote because he feels voting contributes to the system he doesn't believe in. I voted for Gary Johnson.

 

Now, now, this thread is not about me or my libertarian credentials. Please don't feed the troll.

 

The "logic" of the progressive-socialists...

 

I know, I know...you know how I get.