Mursi supporters torch three churches in Egypt

Who knows! There are millions of people there who aren't MB. There are loyalists, unaffiliated, and I'm sure lot's of anti-Christian people that want to take advantage of the chaos. It's not my job to figure out who it was.

Why? Because who cares! They were acts of vandalism in which nobody died. There's violence going on and hundreds are getting slaughtered. Are we supposed to distract ourselves with this? THAT is a good reason to attack the churches!

I did neither defend or sympathies with the church attackers. I merely challenged your claim that it was MB.

What democracy nonsense? Quote what you want me to stop with.

Yes. That's why it could be anyone who did the vandalism.

How come you quoted my question but didn't answer? If the military "government" response was reasoned, then why did they shoot and kill journalists (it wasn't stray fire, it was snipers who have to aim directly at them) who were trying to document the event?

 

Well said. Does it need a wolf to disguise as a wolf?

Well said. No straw men around here. Everything made of straw has been used to burn the churches.

As admitted by you in your above statements, you can't rule out the possibility that the attackers could be MB members.

Well said. You are the one who asks for uniform as a proof for MB church attack. Must a criminal wear his uniform in order to commit a crime?

 

Does what need a wolf?

I asked you for the visual MB identifier YOU BROUGHT UP, and then you claimed I said I could differentiate without it. I CLEARLY SAID THE OPPOSITE. There's NO WAY to know who they are. You lied about my argument. That's a straw man. YOU are the one claiming you could differentiate to know they are MB, although you can't explain how.

Of course I don't. I'm not the one making the definitive claim of knowledge that can't be known, unlike you. I can see different possibilities that can't be ruled out, unlike you who appears to just jump to conclusions. Like I said, it could be anybody. The opposition forces aren't JUST MB... There's loyalists among the crowds as well.

Nonsense. You didn't even offer ANY proof anyhow. I don't require a uniform for proof. I just require proof. The ONLY thing you offered as proof is a visual indicator they were MB. I'm simply asking you what that is. I am trying to ask YOU about what "disguise" you said they would have to wear if they weren't MB but wanted to appear like them. YOU CLAIMED they could be visually identified as MB. I'm merely asking you what that visual indicator is. YOU brought up "disguise".. Explain this "disguise" that would indicate MB.

To prevent your further twisting and diverting and avoiding, I will make this very easy for you, with a simple yes/no question. Let's see if you have the guts to answer:

Did the attackers have visual MB identifiers? Yes/no

 

A latest update from Egypt:

Nearly 40 churches have been looted and torched, while 23 others have been attacked and heavily damaged since Wednesday, when chaos erupted after Egypt's military-backed interim administration moved in to clear two camps packed with protesters calling for Morsi's reinstatement, killing scores of protesters and sparking deadly clashes nationwide.

After torching a Franciscan school, Islamists paraded three nuns on the streets like "prisoners of war" before a Muslim woman offered them refuge. Two other women working at the school were sexually harassed and abused as they fought their way through a mob.

http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-islamists-hit-christian-churches-235144103.html

So, it is now official - Egyptian muslims are in the state of war with Christian women.

 

If you are Europian - Copy paste this post, and hide it in a safe place.. Open it in 10 - 15 years !
You'll see that same Muslim violence arrived from the Arab world near to your towns and villages !!

 

In the 1990s European Christians committed genocide against Muslims.

 

In 10-15 years, Muslim population of France, UK, Netherlands will be approaching 20%. They ain't seen nothing yet.

 

You're undoubtedly talking about Bosnia and Croatia... Bosnian muslims committed atrocities agains Christians on such a huge scale...

 

when???

 

Bosnian muslims were pure white angels ...

 

so you have no evidence?

of course not.

 

http://serbianna.com/analysis/archives/921

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCqFtP52a70

And so on...

 

Well said. A wolf needs blood and more blood.

Well said. Nobody is lying about your illogical argument. You claim that the MB members wear uniform. Please show us some photos of their uniform.

Well said. Tell us all the different possibilities. Who are the crooks attacking and burning the churches? Why are you ruling out the MB completely? Why should the loyalists involve in the church attacks? Any proof?

Well said. Do you think the MB members are so stupid to display any visual indicator or some words like "I am MB" on their foreheads during their church attacks?

Well said. You are demanding for evidence whether the attackers were wearing uniform during their attacks on the churches. In other words, you are claiming the attackers must wear uniform to disguise as MB members successfully. So show us the photos of MB uniform or any other visual MB identifiers.

 

What's with the backwards syntax? You asked does it need a wolf, and I asked does what need a wolf, not what does a wolf need.

Quote me where I claimed that. I asked you if they wore a uniform because YOU CLAIMED THEY COULD BE VISUALLY IDENTIFIED AS MB.

Already answered. MB, non MB Morsi supporter, any anti-Christian, any "government" loyalist, random vandals, AQ, the CIA etc. Pretty much anybody.

Already answered. I don't claim to know. You forget it is you who made the definitive claim about who.

Again, already answered. I never ruled out MB. I specifically said it could be MB. You even acknowledged me saying it.

Maybe they don't like Christians. Maybe to blame protestors. Any number of reasons. I don't need any proof because I never claimed loyalists attacked churches. YOU are the one who made the conclusive claim, not me, so you need to show proof.

No, YOU thought that. I said it could be anybody that attacked the church, and YOU claimed if that were so they would have had to wear a disguise. So YOU are the one who thinks there were visual indicators. That's the reason why I asked about uniforms. Visual indication was the only thing that even came close to you offering proof it's the MB. So, you admit they wouldn't have visual indication of MB? yes/no.Please provide an answer.

No. I merely asked you whether or not they wear uniforms. Once again, YOU are the one who brought up visual indicators as your proof. So YOU show photos, or admit you were wrong, and there were no visual indicators.

Stop talking us in circles and pretending like your claims are actually my claims and demand I prove them. I know you can't prove them but I'm not about to either so you'll have to try a different approach.

Like you have no proof it was MB.

 

the genocide of Christians continues, perhaps Europe should start with a population exchange? Send arab muslims back and switch them for ( more productive, more tolerant) Christian arabs.

Europe would be out of the crisis immediatly losing most of its prison population and wellfare spending.

 

All the while I have been trying my best not to embarrass you with any proof of MB involvement. Since you keep forcing my hand, I have no choice but to show my hand and execute the coup de grace now. Very sorry. Don't blame me, my friend! You ask for it.

Following are excerpts from the article headlined "Christians Living In Egypt Terrified After Church Attacks" at http://kenhuru.com/christians-living-in-egypt-terrified-after-church-attacks/

(Begin excerpts)
....“People are terrified; no one dares leave home,” Marco, a 27-year-old engineer, told AFP by phone from the central city of Sohag......

For Marco, the attacks against the churches were not a surprise -- Christian religious buildings have been targeted before.

It was the torching of Coptic Christian homes and the looting of their businesses that shocked him.

The attackers were “people chanting pro-Mursi slogans and wearing headbands with the phrase ‘Muslim Brotherhood’ written on them,” he said.

The Maspero Youth Union, which documented abuses against Christians during Mursi’s one year in office, also laid blame for the attacks on supporters of the ousted leader.

“Maspero Youth Union condemns the terrorism Copts are facing now in Egypt after supporters of ousted president Mohammed Mursi waged a retaliation war against Copts and their churches, homes and businesses,” the group said.

“Copts were attacked in nine governorates, causing panic, losses and destruction for no reason and no crimes they committed except being Christians.”

Mursi’s supporters have often accused Christians of supporting president Hosni Mubarak, who was ousted in Egypt’s 2011 uprising. Ironically, Christians were also targeted when Mubarak was in power.... (End excerpts)

 

The military Aid is FOR the Americam economy, cutting it harms the US.

 

So you are supporting tyranny in Egypt because it economically benefits America? Explain. I mean like really!

 

The two dont depend on each other, US gave aid to Morsi as well its not US fault Morsi was overthrown, but you said you prefer to keep the aid for US economic benefit and I said the economic benifet is by GIVING the aid, not holding it.

face it, holding it wont change anything in Egypt , they will simply seek another source, other partners etc', the US shouldnt meddle in internal Egyptian affairs, it can do business with it or not but it shouldnt pretend it knows best how to deal with the riots.

All in all, im pretty sure Sisi will get on top of things in a few weeks, US will continue the aid and we can all get back to hating each other soon enough.

 

What in incredibly twisted rationalization for supporting murder and dictatorship! Is this what your god teaches you?

 

Hey, you are most welcomed to go there and stop the bullets with your rightous stance, all I said is keep away and let them sort it out.

 

As an American I have a right to tell my representatives and my President to obey the law and cut funding to a nation who's democracy has been overthrown by a coup. I have done that. If the generals and Mubarak decide that without that bribery they will attack your stupid country, that's your problem.

 

lol, you are waaaay off here kid

 

Pls Egyptian extremist islamists

 

Democracy was overthrown by the Muslim Brotherhood when Morsi declared himself dictator through granting himself sweeping new executive powers which effectively put him above the law along with keeping the opposition out of all decision making in the Constitutional convention which set up a theocratic system of governance.