List the BAD things about Jesus

Jesus was a barbarian, but gets a free pass from people because they are intellectual cowards and are afraid of him (he gets converts by the FEAR he puts in people's hearts.) So let's list some of the bad things about Jesus, to introduce a bit of reality....to be fair, if we CAN'T list many bad things, then maybe we should actually FOLLOW Jesus, I don't know.

Let's just do the first dozen that come to mind:

1. Accepted slavery. http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm

2. Will see that innocent, moral, children get burned alive for not sucking up to HIM and him alone (even though he provides no physical evidence for his existence, period.)

3. Approved of the completely barbaric "old laws". (In Matthew, for starters.)

4. Incredibly, demanded that people love HIM more than their own parents and even children (or face eternal torture!) "He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; (Matt. 10:35-37; Luke 12:51-53)

5. Accepted torture.

6. Teaches your children that magic is REAL. He's a terrible influence on your children, reducing their reliance on science.

7. Was a liar (said he'd return "soon", and also w/in the lifetime of those alive at the time.)

8. Was a man of violence ("I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" (Matthew 10:34), and will have a sword sticking out of his mouth when he returns - he couldn't foresee Uzis, I guess.)

9. Hates Jews.

10. Severed himself from his family: http://www.usbible.com/Jesus/jesus_family.htm

11. Couldn't just use positive rewards to get followers, has to resort to abject FEAR. There are more than 300 scripture verses on fear. Jesus is hardly a role model.

12. Was against singles getting married (Luke 20:34-36.)


Obviously NOT worthy of "god" status....unless of course you don't expect "gods" to be "godlike".

We look forward to Bruce's contribution to this thread.

Please list things YOU feel are bad about Jesus.

 

Your problem is education.

The sword is the word of God... not a sword.

He provided food and wine for the wedding in Cannan.

He didn't hate Jews.. Read Sermon on the Mount.

The old laws were the laws of Moses NOT the laws of the Levites.

He loved the children and welcomed them.

 

Hitler hurt around 6 million Jews. Jesus is such a supremacist, like Hitler, that Jesus will see that Jews get tortured for longer than Hitler could have ever DREAMED of torturing any Jew. And JESUS will see that this is done to far more than a mere 6 million Jews, millions and millions more. But he allegedly of course has the power to turn that all around, but he won't, because like Hilter he's a supremacist. So clearly Jesus is worse than Hitler.

Margot, if YOU had Jesus' supposed abilities, would YOU see that (unlike Hitler and Jesus) Jews get eternal torture, or are you more compassionate than Hiter/Jesus? Margot, as a modern Secular Humanist I believe in you, and I believe you are indeed far far more compassionate than Hitler/Jesus, correct?

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Hitler united a nation, got the trains to run on time (Mussolini too), and loved animals....so your point is?

 

What does Hitler have to do with Jesus?

 

So, uh, what's he going to see happen to cute little 6 year old Hindu girls? They are going to be BURNED ALIVE, THAT'S how much he "loves" them. "No one comes to the father but through me".

Hitler loved Ayran children, but tortured Jewish children, likewise, Jesus may have loved Christian children, but wants to see non-Christian children (including children of forum members reading this) BURNED ALIVE (just read the Bible.)

Jesus was a monster.

 

The point is that some good deed (that Jesus did....like Hitler) does of course NOT excuse his barbarity. No one says "but Hitler did such and such a good thing so he's cool"....likewise Jesus "provided food and wine for the wedding in Cannan" does in no way shape or form excuse his seeing that I will burn, burn, burn. He was a monster.

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Your problem is you let fear, tradition, and emotion trump science, reason, common sense and compassion.

 

Troll at work

 

Hitler believed that Jesus was against the Jews.. but Hitler also had very little education.

 

You are just as wrong as the millions that consider him a savior.....if he existed he was a man.

Might as well make fun of your next door neighbor....chances are you know more about him in the first place.

 

You COULD have refuted my statements, point by point, uh, that is if they weren't so true. But you chose another route. Telling.

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I agree. Maybe a man with some fairly good philosophical points to make, for sure, but still just a MAN. He's not listening to your prayers, and he's not coming back, so let's all go watch some Richard Dawkins videos on Youtube and forget about Jesus, once and for all.

 

Therefore Jesus was at least SOMEWHAT (but not completely) responsible for the Holocaust. Also, Jesus was, apparently, too busy during WWII to even BOTHER educating Hitler that Hitler was wrong, and way too busy to come down and tell the German people that they were wrong (not alter free will, but just EDUCATE them of their bad ways.....would have saved about 50 million total lives, but Jesus doesn't even exist anymore, so it's time to leave the Church.)

 

Have you dumped your gyro?

 

I have refuted your claims many times before , but you're an obsessive person and need to get psychological support .

 

I appreciate your feedback.
You might have some interest in a new thread that was just started.

 

So Jesus did NOT have the ability to simply magically educate the german people that the holocaust was wrong, even though they thought they were doing his bidding of hating Jews? If he didn't have that ability, then why worship him today?

 

Now I'm starting to see why the Jihadists resort to violence so quickly....not that you are resorting to violence of course, but that a Muslim can't logically refute factual statements said against the Abrahamic Faiths, so OTHER tactics need to then be employed, out of desperation. No offense, but that's what it usually appears.

(FYI: Jesus, Isa, is a prophet in Islam, as well as the bible, for those of you who don't know.)

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If YOU had Jesus' supposed ability, would YOU have simply taken time out from your schedule to educate Hitler that he was (allegedly) mis-interpreting Jesus' message?

 

Ok, I'm sure I will regret this but I told you I would come.
Much of what you list I don't disagree with. I'll get to specifics in a minute, but first I want to make a distinction. Much that troubles me are issues with the writers of scripture and not necessarily Jesus himself. You may see that as a distinction without a difference, but if we scratch some of the craziness, a picture of a very lovely soul can appear. In other words, I cherry pick it because some of it makes me queasy.
So my issues aren't with Jesus, per se, but with the bible. I see the two as distinct, much as Jefferson did when he created his edited bible.
Basically agree with your 1,2 and3.
4 I consider hyperbole.
5 seems like a subset of 3.
6 is only true if the magic is false. That can neither be proved nor disproved.
7 is your spin. I think he was simply wrong. But then, I don't hate him.
Margot already schooled you on 8, and she was absolutely right.
9 I don't understand. He was a Jew, and it was the Pharisees he had a problem with.
10 happens in families every day, for a myriad of reasons.
11 refers to hell, of course, and lets just say I don't fear it.
12 made me laugh. I thought only singles could marry, or it's bigamy! Lol! But I know what you mean, and it is simply a subset of 7. Since time was short, what was the point?
That will probably be my sole contribution here, as I see this as a troll thread honestly.
But I hope that helps a little to know where I'm coming from.

 

I really appreciate your feedback, bruce. Both Margot and I agree (and many others I'm sure) that you're one of our favorite posters on the whole forum.

 

In my view it's bad enough that he was a dirty hippie. Jesusism doesn't have any appeal to me at all. Turn the other cheek my ass, what kind of sissy talk is that? Luckily, the west has never followed what jesus said anyways.

 

I'm flattered.
I can name about a dozen people who don't share your sentiment!
Lol!

 

No one has ever ever proved to a jury-level of proof that magic is real.

 

Agreed, absolutely.
There are tricks Houdini did that are still not explained.
Neither proved or disproved.

 

I'm afraid if that were true then they would leave Jesus, but 2.1 billion people have not. Hopefully by the end of this century or sooner most all present and future followers of Jesus will have left him. I did, so can they.

I'm not making this up when I say that they are so insane that they bring forward the parts of the book about jesus that says to KILL innocent people (gays), so they are clearly as fanatical as even Muslims are (who also have KILL gays in their barbaric Islamic texts - and are too intellectually cowardly to simply remove those parts....increible!) As if believing in an ultra-shy, magic, talking dead zombie up in the sky who magically hears everybody talk all at once is not fanatical to begin with.

Look in the dictionary under "fanatical" and I wouldn't be surprised if you see a picture of Jesus.

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If more Christians/Muslims/Hindus thought as clearly as you do the world would be a better place.

 

Well, I was kinda thinking about how the west hasn't exactly followed jesus' pacifist teachings these last two millenia..

 

Well said.