The best argument against Obamacare anyone has ever made

perhaps denial of service is a difficult concept for you ? I didn't say denial of health insurance plan.

 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, just wait until people stop getting their SS checks. That kind of talk has been going on for 7 decades now.;

 

I think you're being a tad disingenuous by forgetting what you are already paying. I pay $1,200/mo. with premiums that have been going up by 8%/year for the last 15 years and with co-pays increasing even faster. Not to mention the cuts in coverage every year. I'd be more than happy to pay that $1,200 as a tax rather than as a premium. Much more than happy. Ecstatic. And if you really forget how it works, look up "Switzerland" or "Germany".

 

What are you talking about? I was talking about obamacare. But those death panels are a revelation of sorts if you get stuck being budgeted out. Is that the comparison you wanted to draw? Or the force of mandate inconsistent with our principles the point you were making?

 

There is nothing disingenuous about comparing what I'm now paying - as a result of changes made by our 120,000 employee corporation that is supposedly a direct result of their efforts in ACA compliance - with what I was paying before this compliance was mandatory. We're no longer with the same Blue Cross group, now I pay $20/week more ($1040 more annually) in medical payroll deductions, all (but one, I think) copay is higher, while there are many more items requiring copay. And so far, I'm not even certain how the spectrum of coverage itself compares since the corporate insurance reps. that I've managed to actually talk to (vs. answering machines) are unsure about most of the specifics! Well that sucks... Hope they learn pretty soon.

I guess everyone's situation is different. But given my own, I'm hardly being disingenuous.

 

Some of you intentionally misunderstand why O-care is so bad for the USA and our population from now until the end of the republic.

Some of you are quite aware of what it's acceptance in America means.

And you want everything bad to happen to US.

But some of you are just not using the brains God gave you to see this for what it is.

The door that leads to our doom.

You think we, all of a sudden, decided to go to the mattresses over some arbitrary bill or law which to your way of thinking shouldn't be a big deal at all. You conclude there must be something more significant about this GOP/Tea Party action that would explain it so it makes sense to your way of thinking.

So, you listen to the people who inform your views and they suggest it's about race. Or it's about bitterness over losing the last election. Or you believe it's about any number of crazy things you think we care this much about to lead us to this level of contention, division and dysfunction.

You compare us to drilling a hole in the boat we all depend on to stay afloat, to stay alive, to get where we want to go.

Answer me this if you can.

If we, too, will sink if we drill a hole in the boat why do you REALLY suppose we are doing it?

And it's not because we are bitter over Obama's re-election. And it's not because he is Black.

Why would we do something you equate to drilling a hole in the lifeboat we all share and rely on for survival?

While you think about the answer to that question I'll address another point.

Although I haven't read it anywhere that the Tea Party has endorsed what I'm about to say, I'll go out on a limb and present you this offer.

If we can say NO GO to Obamacare but turn right around and craft a completely new health care plan that you guys can agree on and we can agree on then everyone would be able to be satisfied.

If we could do that would you be able to walk away from Obamacare?

If you can't then tell us why not.

 

Sure. Have the Tea Party offer to make Medicare coverage applicable to every American. Then I'm pretty sure most Dems would agree to scap Obamacare.

 

By death panel, you mean the made up conspiracy theory that far right republicans claimed were part of the public option? Guess what, the public option, and their non-existent "death panels" have nothing tro do with Obamacare now. The republicans got their way, and Obama replaced the public option with the republican-created individual mandate. Anything that happens under the mandate is on the hands of the republicans who created it.

 

Insurance companies cannot deny service to policy holders, nor impose limits.

 

Have they increased the % they take during that time and slimmed down benefits?

 

Single payer option is still paying for something. That's what taxes are. You pay, you receive. I can't quite grasp why some people don't understand this.

 

they decide what services they reimburse.

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Every penny you are subsidized is free. Of course you intend on not accepting your subsidy I'm sure.

 

In the cases you're talking about, the subsidies are for people that can't fully afford it. It's hardly like subsidies for an international oil company making billions a quarter.

 

In this case, they are designed to achieve universality - a method of leveling the financial playing field. Its generated revenues (taxes & fees) being returned to taxpayers in need.

But hey, if you wanna let it twist your knickers in a knot, then fill your boots. (two metaphors in one sentence - nice),

 

so you're declining yours ?

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you expect to receive on eh ?

 

Yep....another thieving program via another thieving gov. agency from a lying, thieving president who is forcing a LAW/TAX on us all when the LAW/TAX looks or sounds nothing like it was meant to be initially. Just like the BIG MONEY lost through Solyndra and other bogus programs, we have spent MORE on the shady B.O. Care site, that doesn't work, than what Twitter, FaceBook and one of those other popular sites cost......combined. I also believe the site job went to Canadians so (WAY TO GO, B.O.!) That is a fantastic way to put Americans to work while stealing from the tax payers. How about we go back to your empty promises about your "health care" bill before we fund it. In fact, how about we have NO exemptions so that ALL are taxed and all benefit from this train wreck.

 

Oh, that's so sweet that you think I'm super rich! But no, I'm super broke.

 

this is the type of garbage that has been making america more and more divisive. No intelectual with a cool head would take this serioulsy...

 

This doesn't make any sense.

 

Correct!! It is deception with a touch of fear-mongering; that is all it is.

 

Interesting that you would think that people who actually understand and support the program would do so only to take advantage of a subsidy designed to ensure universality.

 

Yet another outraged rightie with no clue how the program works.

Oooooh, imagine paying hidden taxes for medical services. why its an outrage! that money should go to the insurance companies, and manufacturers and doctors, instead of supporting universality.

Exemptions are temporary to aid implementation, not permanent preferential treatment.

What ever was spent on Solyndra and the ACA site pale in comparison to the billions in costs of the republican forced shutdown of the government and the increase in short term interest rates the country is now forced to pay. Nothing like creating a string of economic "crisis" and the stupidity and total impossibility of trying to use budgeting to stangle a legally consituted law by defunding it.

I guess the morons who are so politically paranoid about the debt don't think the billions they are costing the taxpayers in their cynical and fruitless political game playing should count. Not to mention the human costs.

Yep you got a handle on things alright.

 

....to you.
What part of a subsidy being "free", to the one receiving the subsidy, is difficult to understand ?

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interesting I'm sure.
Your compassion and concern end at your wallet.

 

yet another example of the chronic reading comprehension problem of the right.

 

I'm not the right, but your hand is out.