Has anyone thought of this in regards to minimum wage?

It's also an indication that 60% of the states do not currently find a need for a higher minimum.

 

Which is EXACTLY why we need a federal minimum, duh.

MANY states don't feel the need to care about illegal immigrants either, but guess what, federal law trumps what they feel the need for.

 

Your argument is that the single fed govt knows better what is good for 29 states than 29 individual state govts comprised 100% of reps elected by that state's citizenry. I trust that states know better in immigration and wage restrictions.

 

Who cares what you think you know when you base your opinions off stupidity.

The federal min wage is nothing more that the feds telling stAtes they cauN not decide for themselves that lessthan the fed min wage is good for them.

 

Well, I have never heard a more passionate call for fascism. The use of slander really set it off. I mean who better to decide Georgia's min wage than a gentleman from Oregon.

 

Minimum Wage Kills Entry Jobs
So What Else Is New ??

Make Minimum Wage $700 Per Hour
No ??
Why Not ??

$700 Per Hour Is A Liveable Wage

 

Pet peeve alert

The saying is "what is new" not "what else is new" because you are clearly trying to say nothing has changed, but when you say "what else is new" you are indicating that what we are discussing IS new.

/end pet peeve

 

Democrats That Have Illegal Aliens For Nanny
House Keepers & Ground Keepers
Will Never Pay It
Rich Democrats Don't Even Pay Their Taxes

 

Listen guy, I lost all hope that you were going to be able to understand any opposing argument several posts back.

My guess is you like an overbearing centralized power to force the states to comply when you agree with the decree, but I bet your support is like the wind. Your posts indicate you constantly hover in the grey area. In that way, you are unfortunately ordinary.

 

I think we're already there....shhhhh

 

well you certainly didn't answer the way I expected you would. Good for you.

However, that doesn't change the fact that the commerce clause of the COTUS clearly gives Congress the right to regulate trade among the states. The minimum wage is one such regulation.

But let's forget whether you agree they CAN do it for a moment and discuss this. Do you disagree that history has shown that laws like the min wage law, and the min wage law itself have SIGNIFICANTLY improved the US?

 

Nope, Wage Laws Have Done Nothing
American Standard Of Living Is In SPITE Of Gov't

Let's Legalize Up To 30 Million Illegal Competiters For Jobs
The Standard Of Wage & Living Should BOOM

 

Illegals Have An Advantage Over Americans

They Have No History

 

I completely disagree with the assertion that artificial market forces injected by any government significantly improve anything economically.

Also, I believe that currently, the federal government CAN force a minimum wage on the states regardless of their support for it. However, that doesn't mean that I actually think that it is a good idea for the federal government to levy nationwide legislation that can affect different geographics or demographics differently. The closer the govt to its citizens, the more informed the reps are.

 

And your argument would have more merit if the fed were saying "this is the minimum you MUST have" but they are not, they are just ensuring that some dumb state can't say "hey okay, we don't care if companies pay $1 an hour" because you of course know that is EXACTLY what would happen if there weren't some minimum, I mean of course the $1 an hour is an exaggeration, but the point stands.

Actually the minimum is exactly what the federal government should be doing. Set some minimum standards and get out of the way.

 

IMHO the minimum wage argument is focusing on a small part of a whole system that's not working. The greater issue is how much labor is worth, and why.

In a nation where corporate CEOs are regularly given hundreds of millions of dollars a year whether their company is profitable or not, we obviously have the ability to be very generous. So why not be generous to everyone?

It looks to me like the American system is rigged to benefit the elite few who have connections, and not to reward hard work equally. If shareholders demanded a pay scale based more on actual work done, and less on cronyism, I suspect that the system would right itself. If every individual had to justify their paycheck, I suspect that the unearned wages from the top would then be freed up to support better wages all across the lower end.

 

Using the "Some dumb state" argument doesn't give you much credibility.

Now:

1) If there must be a minimum, then it should be a minimum.
a. Plenty of areas have a decent living wage from the minimum.
2) If the federal minimum isn't enough, then the state government can increase their minimum.
3) Currently, 29/50 states are at least content with the current federal minimum.

Now, what is the real reason to support a federal minimum increase if states can increase at any time?

 

Actually, this proves my point. The fact that states can increase the minimum in their state at anytime solidifies my argument. At first, I thought you were playing, but now, I think you really don't know that you aren't making sense.

 

Congress doesn't work for the states, you understand that don't you? Originally the Senate did, and IMO that way was better, Congress as a whole? No

 

I don't see how this has anything to do with what I said. Why do you think that the federal government should increase the minimum wage? Please put forth more effort than "dumb states".

 

You don't see what "the Congress doesn't work for the states" has to do with the federal government not doing what the states want?

I've given MILLIONS of reasons for an increase in this thread and others.

 

Given that there are a lot of areas where the min wage is a decent living considering cost of living, and local governments can increae minimum wage, there is absolutely zero reason to increase a national minimum wage.

And no, I don't understand what "the Congress doesn't work for the states" has to do with proper governence. You seem hell bent on throwing out the option that creates the least harm from a mimimum wage, local variations.

 

I saw in another thread that you support protectionism. I was wondering how you were going to keep all jobs from leaving with ever increasing labor; you're going to screw the consumer.

Increase labor, artificially increase cost of imported goods, lower purchasing power, repeat.... Good plan.

 

You cannot make a law requiring that people work a certain number of hours to keep a pay. In the workplace, there is always a minimum wage set, either by government or by the industry. For example, if you just graduated from college with a degree in accounting, the industry standard minimum wage among the Big 5 accounting firms is about $44k. Although that salary is not government mandated, the number of hours is irrelevant. The same with your example in the restaurant industry. In the restaurant business, the key is not to have quality control be laxed. Management will simply make some decisions. If they do not allow people to work longer hours and pay overtime, then management will simply turn customers away. Customers can see they are busy and will come back when it is not so busy. If the management allows overtime, then quality control still does not suffer and it is really a wash when it comes to profit margins anyway.

However, what has changed with minimum wage over the last few decades is the number of people and "classes" of people who are working in minimum wage jobs. It used to be a job where predominately college and high school kids would work, perhaps a spouse earning extra income or perhaps a recent divorcee. But now, more than half are those who are either supporting a family or helping to support a family. But raising the minimum wage in modest amounts will help those who are in those types of jobs continue support their family. But it is a short term fix only and it is not the real problem that faces this economy.

With the wealth gap and income gap ever expanding, it is time to look which types of jobs are being created. Service jobs and minimum wage jobs will always exist, but they should not lead the charge in job growth or job creation either. Not unless one is willing to change what a minimum wage should be about. And that will eliminate one or two categories of potential job seekers.

If we focus job creation on jobs that go beyond the minimum wage and utilize our comparative advantage to a global scale, then that would be a better alternative, don't you think?

 

This whole minimum wage is phoney and invalid.

It is mostly another Democrat distraction to get people's minds off how horrible ObamaTax is.

It is a payoff to the SEIU, whose contracts are pegged to the minimum wage.

Neither reason legitimately benefits Americans.