Has anyone thought of this in regards to minimum wage?

That's not an answer to my question, and it's truly non sequitur. I'm not ignoring anything. If you want to make a case about whatever you're blaming, I'm listening.

I asked you about your situation. What does VW have to do with you having to move to Mexico?

 

Unions have been trying to get a foothold in the south for a long time in automanufacturing. GM plant in Springhill, TN has the union, but that was a transplant as opposed to a vote in. The foreign auto mfg plants are the target. Nissan in TN and MS, Honda and Toyota in AL and VW in TN. If the workers in Chattanooga vote in the union, the threat of unionization along with increasing labor rates (due to min wage hikes) will be enough. Expansion of Mexico facilities for at least 4 OEMs are complete or planned to be complete by June FY14. Sure, some of the expansion is to regionalize production for global platforms, but over the last 5 years, this has been pretty much completed. As soon as the quality aspect is completely solved, there is no other reason but cost measures to not move production down. Folks like you are forcing their hand.

 

Do you consider that a bad thing? I do not.

Yes, Nissan, Honda, Toyota and VW are producing in the U S. They could have set up in Mexico without much additional transportation costs but, because our public was having concerns about imports, they chose to move to the U S for PR. it will take a lot more than labor costs for them to give up that PR.

 

So the problem is an uppity labor pool that was supposed to know its place and have no ambitions, and now they're ruining everything by asking for living wages and health care and all the stuff they were supposed to be too stupid to be aware of........why does this seem like I've heard it before?

Think on the bright side. This time nobody's sending an army to burn your city to the ground. That's a plus.

Folks like me? Do you mean to say that asking too many questions can get a person hurt down there? Oh yes, I do remember the southern hospitality. Wearing those festive robes and lighting the festive cruciform bonfires. Mighty cheerful, that.

I wish I could sympathize, but I've had to change careers twice because of circumstances beyond my control. Nobody said that life was fair to me. If someone promised that to you, I hope you got it in writing!

 

Actually, our hourly staff have very good benefits, vacation days, health, dental, vision, short-term disablity and complementary life insurance. The wages are among the best in the area, and the openings are highly sought after by those with the desire to work. Given the low cost of living, the wages are significantly lower than what would be considered attractive in some other areas of the country. The geographic advantage to logistics and the low cost of competitive wages are the sole reasons that the mfg facility is located in this area. If much lower skill requiring occupations get their pay artificially increased through DC legislation, the labor costs to maintain a skilled staff will also increase. For a short term, this will make these jobs more desirable to the surrounding areas working in conjuntion with the influx of minimum wage income to increase property values. Unfortunately, for the folks in this small town, there will be a mid-term business plan objective to launch the next model change in Mexico. Then, property values plummet. All of the service jobs that pay the new higher minimum wage disappear with the mfg jobs. Property values plummet and foreclosures increase. School systems collapse because the only folks that stay in town are the folks that can't get out, the lowest end of the socio-economic food chain. Tax receipts reduce, local police, fire and emergency crews are stripped of funding. Small town death spiral ensues because some complete idiot thought that instead of persuading his local government to raise the local minimum wage, he "knew" what was best for everyone in every area nationwide.

You should ask a lot more questions and have the maturity to think about the answers rationally as you stand the need to learn plenty. You do realize that you just correlated the needless increasing of a minimum wage in low cost of living areas across the nation to an overly hyped racist group that really never had any importance other than skewed history books which fictionally attributes the group with some sort of consequence about 60-70 years ago. The only real correlation is the support for both the KKK and private unions have pretty much the same negative slope.

Guy. Let's get one thing straight. You are the one asking the federal government to make things "fair". I am just asking the federal government to leave us the hell alone. Good luck with your ignorance. On a side note, I will gladly help you in your quest to raise your local minimum wage if you choose to take the first step in that direction.

 

A fraction of the gains in labor reductions can be spent on a marketing campaign and final assy loopholes to move 90% of the mfg out of country. Also, the company gaining market share faster than any other just moved to Georgia in 2012. Their foreign mfg in So Korea didn't have much of a bearing on purchases. Considering it isn't even mentioned on any Pareto I have seen qualifying reasons for purchase, I don't think it would matter much. Quality, warrranty, style and price.

Wal-Mart kills its competition with 90% China goods. Made in the USA is a bid deal in the news, but it doesn't matter when the dollars hit the counter.

 

Well, I am quite sure that the folks directly involved with the union gained quite a bit. Of course, most of the union wages are tied to min wage, so, they are in full support of an increase.

 

How old are you, grandpa????





Things have changed grandpa. Nobody really wears those "festive robes" and "lighting the festive cruciform bonfires" anymore...

Instead you have "low hung pants" and "gangs shooting each with the muzzle flashes lighting up the night" and dead black kids on the cold hard city concrete the next day. Keep up with the times. You don't want to be left behind, do you?

 

I am 78 and from the south and I have never seen anyone in a white robe burning crosses. I do know that historically many years before I was born, those guys in the robes burned the church buildings of my Christian Church right along side of the other burnings.

 

I am 71 and I have seen the burning of black churches in the South. Of course the robe wearers changed into redneck clothes to continue their work.

 

You saw rednecks burn a church mostly attended by black people in the South? What decade?

 

I realize that there are a lot of statists who think its moral to use government violence to force employers to overpay for labor. That type of "moral" argument isn't going anywhere anytime soon. But I'm still puzzled by the statists who claim that the minimum wage is good for the economy. So low wage workers supposedly get more money to spend, and that's good right? But if that line of thinking is logical, why stop there? If it helps the economy when people have to overpay for labor, why not force people to overpay for other stuff? If people have to overpay for steel, then those suppliers get more money to spend. Lets spread government violence to other input prices and we'll all be rich.

 

Actually, this is something I have to admit I never really noticed.

In pretty much every hourly job I have ever had, I have frequently been so flooded with overtime I hated it. And no, I am not kidding. From my days in fast food, to doing work at Fortune 100 companies, I often wished I only worked 40 hours a week. 50-60 was much more common.

And it was not that I was "buddy-buddy", I was simply dependable. Need somebody to come in because somebody did not show up? I will be there in 45 minutes. The Vice President's computer is having problems and he needs it for a report he has to do tomorrow? OK, I will go home when I am done, even if it is 10:30 at night. Need somebody to come in early or stay late? Yea, I can do that, better then Joe who wants to leave at 5:01pm at the latest.

In my experience, most of those that get overtime have simply proven that they can handle the tasks that need to be done, and will work the hours when asked. And yes, it does seem to be the same people at almost every job. And yes, they normally move up faster. But it has nothing to do with being "buddies", as much as they have shown they can handle the extra workload with minimal fuss.

And it is the same in the military to my experience. The ones that zoom to their cars the moment the 1st Sergeant says "dismissed" and come in 10 minutes before morning formation rarely rise as far or fast as those that come in extra early to check things over, and do not leave until everything is done, even if that is after 1800 at night.

 

I was answering the situation as stated. Yes, there have been some black churches burned, and some white churches burned, and not necessarily by racists.

At the same time, the burnings of predominantly African American churches occur against what investigators said is a backdrop of widespread arson against houses of religion of all kinds, including white churches, mosques and synagogues.

As of yesterday, there had been 37 suspicious fires at black churches in the last 18 months, including two in Mississippi late Monday night. During about the same time frame, according to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), there have been 23 suspicious fires at predominantly white churches, which far outnumber black churches. Just this week, another white church, in suburban Atlanta, was heavily damaged by fire that investigators are examining for possible arson. Washington Post, June 19, 1996​

 

What is "government violence"?

Your statement about everyone being rich is illogical. Everyone cannot be rich. If everyone is rich, no one is considered "rich."

 

Government forcing people to do something against their will.

I know. It was tongue and cheek.

 

Okay, bombing and killings became better tool:

The 1951 Christmas Eve bombing of the home of National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) activists Harry and Harriette Moore in Mims, Florida, resulting in their deaths.
The 1957 murder of Willie Edwards, Jr. Klansmen forced Edwards to jump to his death from a bridge into the Alabama River.
The 1963 assassination of NAACP organizer Medgar Evers in Mississippi. In 1994, former Ku Klux Klansman Byron De La Beckwith was convicted.
The 1963 bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama, which killed four African-American girls. The perpetrators were Klan members Robert Chambliss, convicted in 1977, Thomas Edwin Blanton, Jr. and Bobby Frank Cherry, convicted in 2001 and 2002. The fourth suspect, Herman Cash, died before he was indicted.
The 1964 murders of three civil rights workers, Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner, in Mississippi. In June 2005, Klan member Edgar Ray Killen was convicted of manslaughter.
The 1964 murder of two black teenagers, Henry Hezekiah Dee and Charles Eddie Moore in Mississippi. In August 2007, based on the confession of Klansman Charles Marcus Edwards, James Ford Seale, a reputed Ku Klux Klansman, was convicted. Seale was sentenced to serve three life sentences. Seale was a former Mississippi policeman and sheriff's deputy
The 1965 Alabama murder of Viola Liuzzo. She was a Southern-raised Detroit mother of five who was visiting the state in order to attend a civil rights march. At the time of her murder Liuzzo was transporting Civil Rights Marchers.
The 1966 firebombing death of NAACP leader Vernon Dahmer Sr., 58, in Mississippi. In 1998 former Ku Klux Klan wizard Sam Bowers was convicted of his murder and sentenced to life. Two other Klan members were indicted with Bowers, but one died before trial, and the other's indictment was dismissed

 

Interesting that you go to the 1990s. I was thinking about what was happening in the 1950s and 1960s.

 

And if you have minimum wage that requires minimum hours, then companies will likely just have fewer jobs altogether.

 

I did a google, that came up and it sure wasn't important enough for me to spend a lot of time looking. But from personal knowledge my Church had parishes burned as well as black Churches.

 

What benefit is growth if it is stratified only at the top?

 

Only if you put it as a weekly amount. As far as I know all countries who have minimum wages do it on an hourly base which given a 35/40hour work week would result in a wage above poverty line.

Doesnt matter then if the company cuts hours, they still need to pay minimum wage at whoever they put there.

 

Which one of those did you see?

 

All the behaviors you talk about are already happening. Its pretty hard to track behaviors that are are already getting worse. If min went up I am sure some people could say "Yea! Thats why we/they act like that!" but the thing is they are already acting like that. How do you gauge worse?

I tend to think the cause of this behavior is just as much decreased demand as it is increased expenses. Increasing min wage might not increase demand. I tend to think low wage earners are so far in debt now that their contribution would take a lot of time as they work to pay off current debt. The lag between consumer spending and increased wages will most likely create some problems, and some business will suffer.

Anytime a business suffers its employees do to. All the way from a mom and pop to mega global corporations.

The problem is that today they suffer when the business does well too.

 

I wonder if he realizes all those crimes were likely committed by lifelong democrats?