Merry CHRISTmas to All the ATHEISTS of the board.

1) don't 'deserve' equal acknowledgement? when these widespread and ancient traditions probably carry more weight than your usurping cult? further, they probably have more significance for your own culture than your adopted middle eastern traditions.

2) significance based on popularity - what an idiotic and dangerous idea. think about it how badly that could go.

3) how could 'most' Americans not know what winter solstice means? maybe some don't, but it's hardly likely to be most.

4) how is celebrating the full range of meanings of christmas be biased against christmas? it'd be more, not less. gosh you say some silly things

 

If my cult managed to usurp their successfully then they must've done something wrong - survival of the fittest baby

And not a single damn is given on Xmas day

Why should Christmas have any significance in Yemen? Why should 4th of July have any significance in the UK? etc

Because the 'christian' definition is the only one which has any demographic significance in America - so giving 'equal' treatment to 'holidays' with a more or less nonexistent following in America would be discrimination against Christmas - ex. equal treatment wthout equal merit - aka "affirmative action for holidays which no one cares about"

 

Look, what are you atheists complaining about anyway? im in california, no one gives a damn about jesus here either. everyone is so involved with Santa, the north pole and the reindeer with all the christmas lights...how come no one complains about Santa Claus? he is a religious figure too right? he is a SANTA? a saint? so why do people have a problem with nativity scenes and billboards but not santa? santa is basically God dressed up in red. he is a mix of God and Jesus and some nothern God. Reindeers fly, and atheists tell their kids to believe this stuff? lol. SO it's ok to believe in a flying fat guy with flying reindeer and elfs, but not jesus? I see confusion everywhere.

 

Might I point out that this thread was started by YOU, and quite obviously was meant as an Atheist bash session and portrayed that it is YOU with the problem?

Attempting to now bash because of Santa Clause is disingenuous at best, though more likely just your next example of the wonderful values exemplified by your Christ and celebrated worldwide on his made up birthday. No one complains about St. nick because he is NOT a religious figure in practice....he is a jolly old fat man with rosy cheeks made up by a soda company to sell more coke. Only the extremely naïve or young "Believe" is Santa....which might explain a lot.

 

wrong again. Santa claus is a religious figure. Became a saint by the catholic church. All im saying, why don't you atheits go after him? You go after jesus. Coke did not create Santa Claus, look up your history, they simply drew him up in another way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus

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Saint Nicholas
A 13th-century Egyptian depiction of St. Nicholas from Saint Catherine's Monastery, SinaiSaint Nicholas of Myra was a 4th-century Greek Christian bishop of Myra (now Demre) in Lycia, a province of the Byzantine Anatolia, now in Turkey. Nicholas was famous for his generous gifts to the poor, in particular presenting the three impoverished daughters of a pious Christian with dowries so that they would not have to become prostitutes.[7] He was very religious from an early age and devoted his life entirely to Christianity. In continental Europe (more precisely the Netherlands, Belgium, Austria and Germany) he is usually portrayed as a bearded bishop in canonical robes.

The remains of Saint Nicholas are in Italy. In 1087, the Italian city of Bari, mounted an expedition to locate the tomb of the Saint. The reliquary of St. Nicholas was conquered by Italian sailors and his relics were taken to Bari[8][9] where they are kept to this day. A basilica was constructed the same year to store the loot and the area became a pilgrimage site for the devout. Sailors from Bari collected just half of Nicholas' skeleton, leaving all the minor fragments in the grave. These were collected by Venetian sailors during the first crusade and brought to Venice, where a church to St. Nicholas, the patron of sailors, was built on the San Nicolò al Lido. This tradition was confirmed in two important scientific investigations of the relics in Bari and Venice, which revealed that the relics in the two Italian cities belong to the same skeleton. Saint Nicholas was later claimed as a patron saint of many diverse groups, from archers, sailors, and children to pawnbrokers.[7][10] He is also the patron saint of both Amsterdam and Moscow.[11]

During the Middle ages, often on the evening before his name day of the 6th of December, children were bestowed gifts in his honour. This date was earlier the original day of gifts for the children, which moved in the course of the Reformation and its opposition to the veneration of saints in many countries on the 24th and 25th December. So Saint Nicholas changed to Santa Claus. The custom of gifting of children at Christmas has been propagated by Martin Luther as an alternative to the previous very popular gift custom on St. Nicholas, to focus the interest of the children to Christ instead of the veneration of saints. Martin Luther first suggested the Christkind as the bringer of gifts. But Nicholas remained popular as gifts bearer for the people.

 

I am well aware of the history of Santa....but it is no longer what he stands for in this country. As an Atheist, allow me to clarify something for you...I do not "Go After" the Christ, as a matter of fact I respect what he represents and feel his message is beautiful. I do however feel that his birthday must be in the spring, and this holiday is an artificial and commercialized farcical reason to eat drink and be merry.
Then we have people like yourself, that complain loudly and nastily that Atheists are Attacking your beloved lord and should be silenced in the burning ashes of Satans Cauldron. I know of no Atheist that is waging war on your holiday, but have seen many a Christian rattle sabers for Christ. Perhaps Ghandi said it best:

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

 

no, it's just means if one religion wants to put their religious propaganda on the court house lawn, then all should be allowed to put their propaganda on display as well
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the difference is people do not see Santa as a replacement for their religious beliefs, he is a fun fictional character that brings children toys if they are good all year...

 

Why did you start this thread with a complaint?

 

lol. I have been coming here for many, many years. are you new?

Atheists always start threads complaining about christianity. whats the difference?


nevermind, yeah you are a newbie, you just joined in 2012. I been here since 2006. You been owned!

 

I generally ignore your rants, but..

Why did you start a thread with a complaint? Are you aware that "answering" a question with a question
is just a shabby try at evasion?

 

one is parents telling there children things, the other is you telling other people children

as for Santa, I am sure Atheists think Santa is a good experience for a child to learn to seek the truth on their own - without Santa, there would be no Christmas

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All except "International Talk Like a Pirate Day", yeah

Actually it's be fine if 'all were allowed', but some militant atheists don't want that, just because they know that most of the time, it would be Christmas being acknowledged (since America is 75% Christian)

 

Aren't God and jesus the same?

Santa answers kids letters.

 

Ok! Got it. You are into psychological projection. I hope you develop some insight into your own character.

 

Best Christmas THREAD ever on the PF. Merry Christmas!!!!

 

Ok......

 

happy winter solstice

 

And Merry Christmas to Mr. Scrooge, too.

 

why u insult me?

 

How on earth did you manage to think I meant you?

 

.....i could have sworn Christianity had nothing to do with this so called CHRISTmas. matter of fact i believe christians actually frowned upon what pagans called 'saturnalia?', 'solstice?'...idk....maybe i was mistaken? btw how did christians even take such an event like that away and rename it?

 

If that were the case, then it would probably have been the result of "the majority rules"... or "he who holds the gold controls the nation". Of course that is just a speculative answer to your question.

 

lol tbh, im just really sick of seein this imaginary 'war on christmas(some taking that as atheists war on Christians)' as topics everywhere i go...i don't understand why everyone waste their life with this stuff.if you(not you in general) want the jesus/God included in you holiday, 'fine!', but im sure atheists enjoy Christmas or 'Saturnalia'(tbh i like this name better, sounds pretty ) just as much as the last christian! this topic has pretty much made bein around my mother awkward, since shes a die hard christian, and found out im actually questioning my religion. this crap tears families apart....its sad.

 

Then quit conducting yourself in a manner that causes your Mother to be upset. Simple solution.