Can't we end the income tax and go with a 13% sales tax ?

I'm tired of seeing what I really made vs what I actually got. It's depressing and feels like theft. It's nothing now, but it's 2014. Isn't time we just put a sales tax of 13% on all sales and services. It's more fair. LET ME KEEP WHAT I WANT EARN, DAMMIT !

 

What is the logic of 13%?

 

13%, 25%, WHATEVER it takes to keep our nation going.
But at least I'll get to dictate the amount I'm feeding the beast.

 

I agree with you. In the history we have seen that governments used to tax the items not the earnings of the people. Unless and until it is some treasure.

So people knew it at that time, we could buy the things only if we will work.

I think , this is also a good idea today. It will solve lot of problems.

 

Great plan if you want to help the 1% get even more of the nation's wealth and income and run up a (*)(*)(*)(*)load more debt.

 

Exactly. They don't want you, me, anybody to have that power. Then they might actually have to listen to us.

 

no, now is the scam because the middle class is paying 27% taxes and the richest Americans are using their laywers and loopholes to avg about 10%, and some pay none.

with this, the rich who will obviously buy more expensive things will be contributing the same percentage value as all others

in theory, a man who spent $100,000 in one year on good and services would have contributed (if sales tax were 20%) $20,000 towards funding the gov.t'

and a richer man who spent $1 million that same year would have contributed $200,000

 

these 'Fair Tax' scams don't fly because they invariably include a whole raft of 'exemptions' for the usual suspects and the tax burden is left almost entirely on the backs of those least able to afford it. Put a 13% sales tax on stock market sales which is mostly just gambling, no different than playing craps or slot machines, for instance, and see how many middle and upper class voters contribute to your re-election campaign next year.

 

I agree that is a scam, though on average, the rich do pay a little more than the middle class. But the remedy is to fix the scam, not impose a new unjust system.

Not true. The richest tend to save most of their income and spend less of it. So if a rich person spends 50% of his money and a poor person spends 100% of his, the poor person is paying 100% of the tax rate and the rich person is paying 50% of the tax rate.

It is in effect a regressive tax on the poor.

And if he made $100,000, that would be 20% of his income.

And if he made $2 million, that would be only 10% of his income.

Great plan for the rich guy.

 

I think a fear may be people may clam up on buying. And that will be bad for economy. IMO.

 

Well, yes, since state and local sales taxes in many areas are already in the 8% to 10% range already.

 

This would never work when you consider
They would eliminate incentives to donate to Charity
And it would greatly reduce consumer spending
And a person earning $100,000 a year pays nowhere near $20,000 income tax
That is if they know how to properly file income tax

 

Just saying .... sales tax passes from the stores to the consumer and it decreases sales , lack of demand kills the economy.

 

you misread - I said a person SPENDING $100,000 on services and goods would have contributed $20,000 in taxes

 

Sorry
But most people think they pay a larger percentage than they do

 

So instead we should have an economy stabilized by theft?

 

Apologies but i don't want to derail the thread , i will only say that the state and it's laws including taxation exist with your consent so where the hell you see theft?

 

I didn't vote in support of them, so no, they do not have my consent.

 

no, it's not - when did I give consent for my state and federal to take out what they do ? I am giving away $.27 for every $1 that I make - I don't remember agreeing to this.

 

You choose to be a part of this society, and taxes are what you pay for that privilege. If you don't like it, you're welcome to leave. It's no more "theft" than a coffee shop asking me to pay for my drink.

 

Then make more.

If it feels like theft then that would be your delusion that you think you shouldn't have to pay taxes.

Fair is irrelevant.

 

Find another country with a better deal and move there.

It is your delusion that you should not have to pay taxes.

 

I wouldn't mind if two conditions were met:

1. NECESSITIES (such as basic food, basic services, and basic clothing ) were totally exempt from taxation.
2. If there was a two level sales taxes: one for ordinary needs and wants (i.e., a TV, a Fridge, shoes, basic cars, houses below $500,000, basic services) and one for "luxury" wants (i.e., yachts, luxury cars, mansions, jewelry, furs, pools, etc. . .) which would be taxed at 25 or 30%.

Then I could be interested in it. Because obviously, people who make $35,000 a year spend EVERY PENNY they have just to "survive." so they would be taxed on EVERY PENNY they make, while people making $1 million a year, would only spend a fraction of that money, and thus would only be taxed on a small amount (let's even say $500,000).

 

Gentlemen, meet JJ Rousseau .

and remember: without some form of a government you can not have any property claims .

 

33% on everything.....even home sales.......