Obamacare signups hit 8 million with late surge of young people

no proof that he lies? for gods sake boy he won lie of the year. there is over 6 million cases to prove the lie. what the hell you been smoking? your deliberate ignorance is outrages
and the IRS there isn't a month that has gone by that more evidence surfaces to confirm there was a deliberate bias targeting for political purposes of conservative groups. just because they don't report it in those liberal propaganda rags like huff and puff post doesn't mean it didn't happen
your deliberate ignorance and your refusal to accept evidence and facts proves your no better then the followers of Jim Jones but your cult leader is Obama

 

he is talking about only 15% that signed up for Obama care are not getting a subsidy which means the tax payer is covering the rest
but that doesn't make a dam to you if someone else foots the bill where is your pride boy where is your humility
have we become such an entitled dependent culture that it is the norm and even expected for someone else to foot the bill

 

Clearly, your fleeing the site in embarrassment has caused you to miss this 'success':

 

Because California had 3.1 million sign ups and only 160k paid for it.
15% is being gracious.

 

You know the question I ask. Making yourself look ridiculous twice is all on you. We are not talking about just California here.

 

So Benghazi was caused by a movie because we were told so, even though the CIA said it wasn't? Considering that movie was barely even viewed before the incident and the people who Made up? We didn't sell guns to drug dealers even though those guns killed agents and when the serial# were checked, they were proven to be the ones we gave "sold" them in order to bust them? Lies?

Your blatant intellectual dishonesty or trolling is a waste of time.

 

Ok. 8 million sign ups, 3 million of them from California...

Are you that dense to think that the .05% of PAYING signups in a state that comprises nearly 40% of the nation wide sign ups is just an anomaly?

Maybe, just maybe, the other 5 million people who signed up all paid. If that were the case, then you could have an argument that the ACA has been a success. But if you want to look at the % of paying signees in California (again, 3 million of the *8 million* enrollees) and make a quick guess, its safe to say less than 5% of those enrolled are paying.

Of course, California could just be strange, and maybe nobody else in any other state had their healthcare subsidized but I doubt it. If Obama told you so, youd believe it, but basic math tells me the ACA is a disaster even with 50 million sign ups.

 

I'm curious will you put up the link where you're getting your stats from :

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/...are-act-health-insurance-premiums-104602.html
3/13/14 12:07 AM

"Aetna and Health Care Services Corp., two of the country’s largest insurers, told POLITICO that through February, about 80 percent of their exchange customers had paid. Officials from WellPoint and Blue Shield of California said about 85 percent of subscribers had submitted premiums. A handful of other large- and medium-sized insurers told The New York Times last month that about four of five of their January customers had paid."

 

You do realize that conservatives don't bother themselves with facts.

 

The number of uninsured of 48 million in 2010 when the ACA got approved increased due to the fact that employers across the nation were eliminating jobs, creating more part time jobs which resulting in a big change in part time workers in 2014 employees numbers. The age bracket of 45-64 in the number of part time workers increased by 5 million compared to 2009 employment numbers and a decrease of 5 million full time workers in this age bracket alone.

It is safe to assume that all 5 million were previously insured when they worked full time but lost it when they became part timers. So now that 48 million uninsured became 53 million uninsured. Then in 2013 approx. 5 million lost their individual policies because it did not meet the mandate's requirements so now the total number of uninsured becomes 58 million.

Even with 8 million that signed up we still have more uninsured now then we did before.

 

Oh, stop with the logic........ObamaCare has gotten a few million folks, in a country of 320 million, to sign up......most of whom are subsidized.......meanwhile most of the producers had their health insurance premiums go up.......so its a complete success. Obummer is probably drinking a single malt and smoking cigars with the health insurance lobbyists as we speak......what a joke on the American people this has been......and the media gives him a pass because he's half black.

 

Thanks! I was going to post some of the same stuff, but I wasn't sure it was worth it. When I saw what he or she posted I realized I wasn't dealing with someone interested in having a logical conversation. I'm glad you beat me to it. Some posts just aren't worth responding to when you realize the other side has done little to no research on their own other than Breitbart.com.

 

Your link is pointless. So 80% of the signups who have to pay have paid? Cool. Your link simply says that 80% have paid. That's not 80% of the sign ups, thats 80% of the people who have to pay, and another 20% will pay at a later date.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/lo...d-californias-3-million-enrollees-increase-by

Of the 1.2 million, 87 percent are eligible for federal tax subsidies. During that same time, he said, another 1.9 million people had signed up for Medi-Cal.

That says, 1.2 million of the 3 million are going to be subsidized, and another 1.9 million have signed up for Medi-Cal (meaning they dont pay).

So....

Congrats. The government broke everyone's windows out, demanded they fix it, threatened to fine them if they dont, and then offered to fix it for an increased price. You're so proud that the American people are forced to sign up for something they don't want, and claim victory when 8 million of the 310 million people in this country sign up. Yay Obama!

 

Your blatant dishonesty by injecting bits and pieces of selective information without telling the whole story is also a waste of time, which is what my last post was all about.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/01/politics/obamacare-signups-target/ Kathleen Sebelius claimed 80 to 90% of all those signed up had paid their premiums nation wide. That's according to the insurance companies. And you never produced your own source of information that was requested to prove otherwise. Imagine that!

 

Yes it's much better that people are forced to sign up for good health care coverage. You like it the old fashion way where individuals who don't pay a dime into the system wait until they're 60 ,70 or 80 years old to begin signing up when they statistically require more expensive surgeries and drug therapies and where insurance companies can drop people or refuse to sign up people. The days of the free riders will eventually be older and those days aren't coming back.

so you agree that this statement is meaningless since 85% of signees in California are paying their premiums.

 

Yes, 80-90% of those who will not have their healthcare subsidized have paid. I agree with you.

What you are ignoring, is that a very small percentage of people who have signed up won't have their insurance subsidized. The article I linked says so. If you read it, it says there were 3 million sign ups in Califnornia, but Of the 1.2 million, 87 percent are eligible for federal tax subsidies, which means they aren't paying, dont have to pay, wont ever pay, and another 1.9 million people had signed up for Medi-Cal which means they aren't paying, dont have to pay, and wont ever pay.

What part of that is confusing to you?

 

I agree that 85% of those who are not having their healthcare subsidized and are not enrolling in Cali-Care are paying their premiums. But of those who have signed up, only a small percentage aren't in either of those groups.

But that 85% is just those who have to pay. That 85% isnt the sum of ALL sign ups. Just the ones who have to pay. The link I cited says that those who have to pay in California is a small percentage.

Where is the confusion?

 

Which insurance plan is the cheapest insurance plan that you can find that is "good health care coverage"?

I have yet to find one that's less than $300. And the ones around $300 are suspect as well.

 

And are you saying that those who are not paying don't deserve Health Insurance?

 

Bravo on moving the goal posts now that you've been absolutely painted into the corner by HTownMarine.

 

Only a lunkhead thinks this is a goalpost move. Subsidizing was part of the ACA from its inception. Duh!!!! By the way are you Htown's mama ?
Is that why your stepping in?

 

That's exactly correct.......and has been the way things were in the Republic up until the Kenyan took office and sold the nation a bunch of nonsense.

 

So were getting back to a fundamental disagreement in the role of the government in society. So I know where you stand and you know where I stand. Yeah I know all about it he's a Kenyan socialist communist Hitlerian Stalanist dictator and blah blah blah.

 

So tell me again why me and my wife should get up a little earlier everyday and work a little harder and smarter in order to pay for some slacker's health insurance..............in the words of Frasier Crane "I'm Listening"...........