US: Russia 'created the conditions' for shoot-down

found last night interesting photos and illustrations to help restore the approximate trajectory missiles "air-air", which released Ukrainian fighter SU-25 on a Boeing 777 flight MH17.

Top you see a photo of the wing, which was riddled with shrapnel from a rocket. Many argue and say that elements with shrapnel holes very little, so do not recommend based on the theory with a missile "air-to-air." However, there are nuances. What is this item? This is the end of the left wing. Rotate it to make it clearer about this:

That's something, is not it. We see about the angle of attack, it left behind. So, go on. Assuming that the shrapnel at high speed has gone further, it is due to damage and other fuselage. We are constantly talking about it, they say, where the fuselage? We use the geometry and draw a line along the path of these holes, as shown in the following image:

Direct headlong goes to the cockpit, barely touching her. This explains the absence of a large number of elements of the fuselage with bullet holes - shrapnel passed almost tangentially.

The Financial Times publishes a photo with an element of the fuselage from the cockpit, which was found in a tree Petropavlivka, it's all in the hole! Our theory is correct - all the fragments left in a straight line from the end of the left wing of the cockpit. Rocket "air-air" was - it is 100%. Direction of attack: back, left.

I can not say what the consequences at a great height and at a speed of almost 1000 km / h can cause such damage - let us tell the experts, but that the shooting Ukrainian plane - there. If anyone doubts this, let your doubts dissipate. Also, I dare say that the pilots were injured or killed by debris caught in them.
Imposing a piece of the fuselage in Photoshop:

Pictures are not displayed. You can see them on the Russian website:
http://anna-news.info/node/18763

 

If you understood what Moon of Alabama said, the senior intelligence officers who Kerry said had the proof, said that there is no proof that Russia ever gave those weapons to the federalists. What was not mentioned was that the Ukrianian coup army did bring two of them into the area two days before, and according to the Russian photos, one of them was brought closer to the area where the federalist freedom fighters were and was also active at the time of the shooting of the plane. After the shooting it was moved further away. The U.S. as yet has not provided any satellite photos.

What I can't understand is that once a liar always a liar, yet Poroshenko and his ilk in Kiev have been caught in lies many times, and our lovely press still quotes him with the intent of giving him credibility when he has no credibility. During the protests, certain videos which made the rounds were proven to be false and doctored by certain companies in Kiev under the payroll of some Maidan oligarchs, and now we had the recording which was posted on Youtube between a Russian General and a federalist talking about the plane being shot down, and then removed because it was dated the day before the shooting...which proves that the shooting was intentional and planned by the Kiev government. Yet Kerry was willing to give falsified proofs by the same Kiev criminals in order to persuade the easily mislead 'masses'.

Anyway for someone to commit a crime, there has to be a motive, and the only people who had a motive would have been the government in Kiev and this is why our propaganda media machine had to work overtime. One thing though not mentioned is that the plane was sent on a path usually taken by Russian transport planes, and Putin's plane was in the vicinity at the time. His plane was the same size and the same colors and might have been the intended target. The Russian government won't say anything because if they did and if they have evidence that it was the intent of the American backed government in Kiev, they would have to go to war...and as we have seen with Putin's unbelievable patience, is that he certainly does not want war. While we on the other hand.......

 

Since you mentioned an atrocity prone group, then you must be referring to the Washington supported Kiev government since they are the ones who persist in killing the original inhabitants of Donbas in order to change the ethnic composition of the area in order to stay in power...I mean look, they feel they got away with genocide in Gallicia during WWII by massacring all the Poles when they had German support, so why not do the same to the Russians now that they have the U.S. support? Of course it doesn't say much for us now does it?

Obviously you're not up on things or you would know that the only people who had the weapons to knock down the plane was the Kiev government, and one of them was moved closer to the federalist area, and then after the shooting moved away, as the photos provided by the Russian government have shown. And unlike the Kiev government photos, they have been proven factual and not doctored. As for the U.S., they have not yet shown their satellite photos. One has to wonder why?

Unlike Kerry who is all talk and no facts, I like to present videos of the ongoing genocide by the Kiev government:

[video=youtube;AXGcdQqbntk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXGcdQqbntk[/video]

[video=youtube;WKZ_S6w7-B0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKZ_S6w7-B0[/video]

[video=youtube;_kP3U8FANEk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kP3U8FANEk[/video]

 

this post pretty much sums this situation up. All the other conjectures are fairy tales.

 

but i disagree in a war zone their is collateral damage civilions get caught up in the cross fire at a times and to me and most investigators would conclude there was no intent to this so called crime, because there was a history of the rebels only shooting at military planes , if they wanted to bring down a civilian jet liner they would of done so Early so there wasn't any pattern of attack..

 

wrong its called getting caught up in a war target fire zone, if get fired at from distance in the open field and the enemy is wearing a red uniform and then he drops down disapears and then a red uniform reappears a few hours latter in the same or close location and i return fire , but now it a civilian, i am not at fault in that engagement, there was no intent for me to murder that person. it was war like collateral damage

 

Nonsense... It's like drunk driving, drunk drivers have no intent to get into an accident/kill anyone either but their drinking creates a situation in which a horrible outcome becomes extremely likely...."no intent" is just not going to cut it with drunk drivers, nor is it going to work with Russia giving sofisticated weapons and training to stupid, criminal, perpetually drunk pro-russian scum in Eastern Ukraine and then sheddng crocodile tears over 300 dead people those Russia-armed drunk imbeciles murdered.

 

drunk driving is against the law, shooting at a fighter jets and transport planes resupplying your enemies
with the intent of killing you on the ground is self-defense

 

Drunk driving is against the law because it endangers innocent people within the driving distance of drunk drivers. Russia giving sofisticated weapons to the lowlifes, drunk criminal scum endangers the lives of innocent people within the shooting distance of the weapons Russia gives them. Is it that hard to comprehend? Duh!

 

driving on the streets in a vehicle drunk as a illegal act, and firing a missile drunk or sober in a war zone in self defense, is not a same analogy and not a illegal act..

 

Boeing 777 was shot down by Ukrainian pilot - fact.

 

Of course you have the same outrage for the US supplying terrorists in Syria that have now invaded Iraq, killing, raping, looting, crucifying their way through half the country in pursuit of an Islamic State.

 

the discussion was about your frankly absurd "no intent" claim. Drunk drivers have no intent and yet then bear full responsibility. Russia had no intent either but its reckless policies in Eastern Ukraine, its arming of idiots, criminals and thugs with dangerous weapons led to the tragedy and just like drunk drivers, Russia is fully responsible for the consequences of its reckless dangerous actions, regardless of the intent.

 

You are right a BUK system could only do the trick.
and Kiev knows that the rebel has it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-came-bodies-children-not-military-crew.html

 

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/18/facts-needed-on-malaysian-plane-shoot-down/

 

Oh so many specialists Rocketeers here! Every penguin is Admiral. Guys, even if someone has one rocket launcher "BUK" he is unable to shoot down the plane which flies at the height of 10,000 meters with a speed of 700-800 kilometers per hour. It is necessary to have several radar station that will escort and direct the missile to the target. Ukraine only has this system. The Nobel Peace Prize winner Obama and his puppets in Kiev are pushing the world to the third world war, and you're happy. What is the cause of your happiness? WWIII will spare noone. The missile will fall in your house as well. Is not it clear?

 

I think that could be true. We all miss the Cold War. The world was a happier place during the Cold War. And the world economy was much more stable.

 

and the news from Russia is like Der Sturmer.

 

The intelligence officials were cautious in their assessment, noting that while the Russians have been arming separatists in eastern Ukraine, the U.S. had no direct evidence that the missile used to shoot down the passenger jet came from Russia.

Nice to see they're finally admitting what they should have admitted from day one, which is that they don't actually know anything yet.

The propaganda got its job done, I guess. Lots of dopes now have 'evil Putin' on their minds.

 

They know everything. They know names and surnames of Ukrainian military men which have made this crime. But there were some failures with this provocation.
They hoped the plane will fall on Russian territory. Fortunately for Russia it has not reached Russian territory 50 kilometers.

2) they did not manage to destroy flight recorders. Now they are compelled to decipher their records. We see they are protracting to do it.

3) Last briefing of Russian Ministry of Defence had results. As Russian military men gave obvious evidence pointing to Ukrainian militarians. This is why intelligence officials have changed the tone of rhetoric.

But you are right, the propaganda got its job done.

 

Boeingh 777 was shot down by Ukrainian pilot - lie. Simply posting an untruth and proclaiming it the truth doesn't change the truth. Either post a link to a reliable source supporting this statement or retract it, please.

 

Yes, and who are the "many" and who do they represent?

 

U.S. State Department spokesman use fake photos and videos from the Internet as proof! SHAME!

 

I've already posted pictures of downed Boeing with bullet holes. Experts in these holes proved that shot the plane. If the plane was hit by a rocket BUK, it has 60 pounds of explosives, Boeing would have burned in the air and bodies were broken into many pieces.