US: Russia 'created the conditions' for shoot-down

Downing a passenger plane is a tragedy, which should not be allowed to happen under any circumstances. However, this is what happened in a war zone. Why there is a war there? Is Putin finished? These are questions important for those who are not killed yet. The problem began with coup in Kiev instigated and sponsored by EU. Now they have the fruits, Poroshenko is bogged in civil war. Natural resources are out of reach to greedy corporations of USA and West Europe. In most recent news (not reported by CNN, NBC and alike) another great escape happened - over 430 Ukrainian soldiers switched sides and came to Russia. They were hungry, run out of ammunition and not willing to fight their brothers Russians. Where refugees from Donetsk are running? Not to Ukraine, they prefer to go in Russia. Does it tell you anything about what is going on in Ukraine? Poroshenkko and his government are foreigners in Ukraine. This is a no win situation for the Maidan nationalists exploited by EU and USA.

 

I love it when it is everyone else's fault for Russian aggression.

 

Not just two different paths. Here is another chart show ten flights before crash - all over Crimea sky not Donesk war area.

MH17: A Doomed Flight Path

A Malaysian Airlines spokesman has already confirmed that, for some unknown reason, Kiev-based Ukrainian Air Traffic Control (ATC) ordered MH17 off of its original flight path along the international air route, known as L980.

Most likely, this order was given to pilots while MH17 was still in Polish air space. L980 is one of the most popular and most congested air routes in the world, as well as a key link between major international hubs in Europe, like London Heathrow, Amsterdam Schiphol, and Frankfurt, and Asian destinations, like Singapore, Mumbai, Hong Kong and Kuala Lumpur.



As MH17 moved into Ukrainian air space, it was moved approximately 300 miles north of its usual route - putting it on a new course, flying directly over a war zone – a dangerous area that’s hosted a number of downed military craft over the previous 3 weeks.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/mh17-v...us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag/5393317

 

This could be a deliberate order from Ukrainian traffic controllers, knowing the likely consequences.

 

It was a request from the pilot which is common. That was reported very very early.

 

Abject nonsense. That wasn't the case.

Ukraine authorities instructed MH17 to fly at 33,000 feet

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/ukraine-authorities/1272552.html

 

Also common. The difference between 33k and 35k is negligible and has nothing to do with flight path. Nothing in what you posted indicates the pilot did not request a change in flightpath for other reasons. There were other airliners that had flights in the same area. It was not expected that the separatists would shoot down civilian aircraft.

 

Nonsense . At least half a dozen flights had flown over the area that day

Nonsense . Its original flight path was always going to be along that corridor. Why ? Because its the shortest and most fuel efficient route to where it was going

What order ? It was flying its scheduled route and exactly the same route it took the previous day which is exactly what it was doing

Absolute nonsense for the reasons already espoused. This is a conspiracist rewriting of history. Here are the facts.

Virgin Atlantic flight VS301 from Delhi to London was just 140 miles away
One of three Virgin flights planning to fly over Ukraine in week leading up to attack

Six Heathrow flights were among 55 planes over Donetsk on same day

Nearly 300 passengers planes scheduled to fly over Ukraine yesterday

CAA warned pilots against certain areas, but declared others 'normal'

European and Asian airlines used route despite US carriers being banned
Airspace 'was not subject to restrictions' according to airline industry group
International Civil Aviation Authority had advised to seek other routes

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...s-scheduled-fly-Ukraine-day-MH17-tragedy.html

 

Which is of course a perfectly normal flight level for any commercial airliner to be at for economical cruising. What is suspicious here is the motivations some people seem to have for suggesting otherwise

 

Then you have a serious problem with the reading comprehension. Read it again. Incidentally, it wasn't expected that the Ukrainian military (under U.S control) would go that far and shoot down the airliner just to impose harsher economic sanctions on Russia. No one expected that. It just shows how desperate people in Washington DC are.

 

The only suspicious thing here is your continual acceptance of already debunked lies as facts. It's worrying that someone like you so readily accepts a proven a lie as a fact.

Furthermore, we wouldn't be having this discussion if the Ukrainian secret service released the conversation between the air traffic control and MH17. Also the content of the black boxes has been downloaded long time ago. So everyone knows what happened. And the truth is ugly and doesn't agree with your dark agenda here.

 

Wow, now Ukraine is under US control. The delusion is strong in this one Luke. I suppose it is under the same control as Iraq eh?

 

Wow, how surprising! Aunt Sally! Get real.You can blame Russians for all you want but the responsibility for the civil war and the mess Ukraine is in these days is much closer to home.

My view is rather pragmatic. I want what is the best for Europe. A further confrontation with Russia would be absolutely disastrous for Europe and her economy. The only side which profits from the war in Ukraine is the USA. No one else. Hence, the USA is continually adding fuel to the fire.

Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=861DJLR4Cek

It’s not even a secret who controls the joke of a government in Kiev. Actually, it’s more more like a junta controlled by the extreme right minority than a functional government. The governing style the USA mastered in their numerous experiments in South America over the years. As I expected all along, you’re just trolling here.

 

Nonsense. This aircraft was flying at a perfectly normal cruising altitude along a perfectly normal flight vector to its destination. Some 55 aircraft were scheduled to be over the Donetsk area that very day including one which would have been carrying the Indian prime minister ! Given you are a Brit I'm amazed at you falling for this conspiracy nut nonsense because what you are suggesting is up there with the 9/11 truther bunkum

 

"A Lithuanian news website revealed it has spoken to the truck's owner - identified only as Vasiliy"

 

It's almost as if Mike Whitney had a premonition. I've highlighted the most important parts.

Washington Pushing Ukraine to the Brink
Politics / Ukraine Civil War
Jul 13, 2014 - 06:03 PM GMT

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article46429.html

 

847. Puppets show to save the dollar (8/1/2014)

The MH17 crash was obviously an attempt to draw Europe into a war crisis in Ukraine. As a result, Euro goes down wards.

Russia wants buyers to abandon the dollar and use the Euro for its oil. Ukraine crisis forces traders to sell the Euro. That’s how US to save its dollar – by creating war crisis.

Moreover, there is a turmoil in Libya lately. Libya is an oil rich country. The upheaval there not only push up the oil price, but also hurt economy of European countries. It’s not a coincidence.

When there were “dictators”, the media blew the trumpet for “democracy”, “color revolution”, “Arab spring”. After the fall of the dictatorship, what left over are all US assets: ISIS, Iraq’s Maliki puppet government, rival militias (include Al Qaida) in Libya. Now you rarely hear the angry cry for justice although those agents are more cruel than the “dictators” – they are bombing civilians; beheading P.O.W. and doing religious extinction. Because all those puppets are working for the same master.

The puppets now are acting war shows in Iraq, Libya and Ukraine(where only Russia is the real enemy), all for one purpose, to save the dollar from collapse.

 

If we hadn't interfered with Ukraine and got their duly elected president deposed then none of this (*)(*)(*)(*) would have happened. How far back should we go to really find the problem. When the US stirred the pot to get Yanukovich thrown out of office by our banker buddies in Kiev that was the real cause of everything that happened afterwards.

 

Interference eh ? At least the West didnt go as far as poisoning the Ukrainian candidate they didnt want like the Russians did with pro western Viktor Yushenko back in 2004. He barely survived the attempt despite it disfiguring him Here are the before and after shots

 

What were you trying to achieve? To post the biggest idiocy on this particular thread or what? It is beyond ridiculous to compare the current Ukrainian predicament with the fate of one man who actually survived and led the country for the number of years. If you haven't been informed in your la la land the U.S interference in Ukraine has already cost thousands of lives, many more thousands injured, few hundred thousands refugees, the economic disaster etc...etc...Get a grip, will you?

 

Fair enough I take it you think the direct Russian poisoning of pro Western electoral candidates is a better strategy of non interference in Ukrainian political affairs ?

I'm happy to let others be the judge

 

When the US backs a pro west canditate they're interfering, when Russia backs a pro russian canditate they're liberating or what have you.

 

I thought the Yushenko poisoning ten years ago was the most despicable direct interference in any countries democratic political process I had ever heard of up till that time. Still what do you expect from the ex KGB occupant of the Kremlin who has a history of disposing of opponents both political and in media in various interesting and diverse ways over the last 15 years

 

Fidel Alejandro Castro ???? Long,long time ago the US did it all.Guantanamo Bay ???wow!!! worst than gulags!!! so please,one day you will wake up and realize you were living on the wrong side of planet....

 

So when was it the US poisoned him because I must have missed it ?