US: Russia 'created the conditions' for shoot-down

I'm not the chief specialist rocketeer. But I served in the missile forces however. BUK is sufficiently complex system the effective application of which is possible at presence of several radars only. As an aircraft flying at a speed of 700-800 km per hour is within the radar visibility no more than 2 minutes. It is impossible to set up the system and to bring the missile to the target for this time. This is why they use several radars at different locations for searching and escorting the target. Do not pretend to be a specialist having read an article in the Internet please. You just want to believe in your version and you believe in it. And you do not even see the obvious things. Rebels have no motivation to shoot down this Boeing. While the junta has a direct benefit from this scandal. No one paid any attention to the posts written by Izverg here. Although this is the most plausible version as there is a lot of evidence in favor of this version. But your free media apparently forgot to tell you about them.

 

Russia has representation in the MH17 investigation. Hopefully the truth or what's on the flight recorders comes out.

It is curious, however, that these recorders were turned over 10 days ago and not a peep about what's on them yet.

 

One thing is clear to me, these black boxes will not be decoded in the next few years. This is very difficult work for the British experts, it seems.

 

Repeating the claim doesnt make it so rocketman.

 

This is not about Putin. This is about of destiny and aspirations of Russian people in Ukraine. Putin is just a right leader at the right time and the right place; he is on the mission of gathering Russian people. Look how Germans reunited West and East halves of their country. Look what Israel does to gather Jewish people, display neighboring Arabs and populate their land with Jews. Why Ukrainian Russians should not join Russia? They are in a majority in large parts of today's Ukraine and nobody can force them to join a handful of vicious nationalists of Lvov and surrounding regions of western Ukraine. Putin is successful, because he listens to his people. All that hate propaganda against Russia and Putin is groundless. If Israel can treat its neighbors so badly and it is OK with you, why Russians cannot reunite without displacing anyone? People of Donetsk, Lugansk, Slavyansk and other cities and towns decided to go away from so-called Ukraine, this is their right and nobody can stop them. The do not carte what Obama or Kerry said. What Russian leader said is far more important to them and to Ukraine. This is their home country and nobody can do anything to change the matter of the problem. Shelling, propaganda and outright lies would not help you.

 

May be they discovered that Ukrainian jet shot the plain? If so, the investigators are frightened to disclose it and bad to NATO and Ukraine consequences....

 

Many Russian members are welcomed. They love Russia and this is typical of majority of people of this great nation. It is their duty to resist stupid political propaganda by corporate media polluting the world. If not they, who will tell us the truth? This is a sign that they are determined to win in Ukraine. By the way, I noticed quite a few members, who are obviously not Russians and not from Russia, but they are independent thinkers and do not buy propaganda spread by politically biased media.

 

This happens every time Vlad the Invader launches one of his revanchist wars of aggression.

And, of course, the fascists in the Kremlin created the conditions for the shootdown. These conditions will cease to exist once Putler calls off his proxies in Ukraine.

 

Not so fast. Let us wait for more details about the tragedy.

 

And they fulfill their duty by parroting the stupid political propaganda by Kremlin media polluting the world.

 

So far, his claim is as valid as the US's so far unsubstantiated claim about separatists using a BUK on the plane.

Yet the anti-Russian crowd treat that claim as fact. Because they're biased.

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Clearly it can be useful to use propaganda to combat propaganda, as it helps shed a light on the opposing propaganda by example.

 

The Kremlin's propaganda bullhorns have a history of disseminating pure, unadulterated bull(*)(*)(*)(*) to whitewash its revanchist aggression, so I can't help but question its usefulness. One has to be credible to be effective, and the Kremlin has zero credibility.

 

Everything I posted other than the German language having been lost by one vote are facts, so stop trying to discredit what I wrote by one error. Obviously you didn't go to a New York City grammar school, or you would have known about the Spanish American war having been started by the hype between the NY Herald and NY Tribune, and the sinking of the Lusitania drawing us into the war against Germany. Also that its sister ship was torpedoed three times without sinking, and that it was proven to be packed with explosives.

Also the population of the U.S. was equal between the Germans and English, and they retained their German language and intermarried with Germans from Germany until the sinking of the ship. I know the German business' on the west side of NYC were being stoned after the sinking of the ship, and because of that they were forced to Anglicize their names, give up their language, and began to intermarry with others. As for the propaganda, ah yes, amazing how people fall for it, yesterday and today:

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Unless you're a paid troll, you are saying the Kremlin has zero credibility because that is what has been presented to you by our government and the spins and the 'half news' of our controlled media. Isn't it better to listen to what Vladimir Putin has to say before allowing others to form your opinion? Here is a video of Vladimir Putin presenting his case on Crimea:

[video=youtube;TTe225bgCKA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTe225bgCKA[/video]

 

Nyet. Putin is KGB. Enough said...

 

We also know that a lot of the "Separatists" are really Russian soldiers who are wearing Separatist uniforms. They are being led by Russians and taught how to use all their Russian-made equipment from Russian soldiers and advisors.

 

Separatists are Russians, Ukrainians and other ethnicities, who consider themselves Russians. Soldiers or civilians, but they all do not like Stephan Bandera and his followers represented in the Maidan government in Kiev. They taught and learned how to use weapons, because this is a war time. How it can be the otherwise?

 

No, I meant that Putin sent his Russian soldiers dressed as Russian Separatists to help them. The Separatists were instructed by Russians from Russia on how to use the weapons that Putin sent.

 

How about providing some credible evidence for your conspiracy theories? I mean the real evidence, not some faked photos, video clips or satellite images. It's embarrassing.

 

even their leaders are russian nationals...

 

Mister. I just write to you the things which are known to every private soldier of air defence in Russia and Ukraine. The diameter of the radar-location zone of one radar system " Buk " is 40 kilometers. The higher the target, the less the diameter of the zone. Cruiser speed of Boeing 777 is 905 kilometers per hour. 905 / 60 = 15,01 kilometer per one minute. 40 / 15,01 = 2,66 minutes. So Boeing 777 flies through this zone for 2,66 minutes. As at the height of 10 kilometers the diameter of radar-location zone is lesser. So Boeing 777 flies through this zone in time no more or hardly more than 2 minutes. "BUK" can work in stand-alone mode for target which fly on smaller height and with smaller speed. The target like Boeing 777 needs several radars. Is it clear to your at last?

 

the KGB is no more since long time, while CIA is still around, get the idea?

 

Why do you think Russians from Russia would never volunteer to participate in the fight in Ukraine? The whole coup in Kiev was done by volunteers from western fraction of Ukraine and foreigners from Poland and Lithuania. Who is fighting for Poroshenko now? Mainly the same and more foreign volunteers. I believe Putin has a sympathy with Russians. How this could be the other way? The West expects Russian oligarchs would sit down and check their bank accounts in fear of loses and listen to orders from Merkel and Obama? Not all is measured in money.

 

Sooooo if you are going to rule out any photos, videos or images as faked, what other evidence could there be?

 

Anything that the random thoughts bouncing around in your own mind to support your assertions? I didnt think so.