US: Russia 'created the conditions' for shoot-down

Any person with a bit of logic knows that in order to commit a crime one has to have a motive and the means to commit it. If I don't have a gun how can I shoot someone? And no one as yet has proved that the freedom fighters had any Buks. Also if I have nothing to gain and everything to lose, then why would I shoot? And as yet no has given any reason for the freedom fighters to shoot the plane down other than it was a bunch of drunks operating a non existent Buk.

Because there is no logic in anything Kerry and his ilk have been saying, they had to work overtime to put into practice what Goebbels had said: That if something is repeated often enough people will believe it no matter how ridiculous it is. First of all where is the U.S. satellite pictures, and don't tell me they don't have any with the billions of dollars worth of equipment, and the warships near by in the Black Sea?

Well the State Department finally admitted, albeit indirectly that the Kiev government did have Buk's near Donestk, something which Russia has shown with it's images. I guess they couldn't cover it up any longer, but they said they weren't active. Well Russia says one of them were, and it seems Russia has proven itself more credible then Kiev or Washington DC.

But look Washington doesn't care, they will just continue their lies, and since the same people who own Washington own the media, they feel they can control people's minds...and it seems they are not too far off in that assumption. The fact is though, why are they trying so hard to make Russia an enemy? Are they preparing us for war? If I was Europe I would be very worried. One has to wonder how Merkel really sees these things, especially considering that a Nato supply base is being established in Poland right next to Germany? Is it to intimidate Germany who has business dealings with Russia, and who is not willing to destroy its economy to please Obama? One has to wonder?

 

And to further influence the minds of the American people, they are now thinking of making a movie about the shoot down of the Malaysian airliner. I don't doubt that the bank roll is coming from the same murky company Biden's son works for... a company which has also been filling the pockets of the lobbyists in Washington.

 

Jeanette, please start reviewing the words you use and the sources you chose your stories from.

Even the German language missing by one vote is a lie, an old wives tale passed down that was never true.

http://www.snopes.com/language/apocryph/german.asp

 

Which part of "post a reliable link" did you not understand? That photo link was on a par with 9/11 conspiracy links in terms of its level of reliability. It's like quoting an official Syrian government source as a reliable source of information (oh yeah, the Russian media likes to do that too).

 

???? They shot it down for the same reasons they shot down all the other planes they have claimed to shoot down. Just as they claimed to have shot down this passenger plane, before they realized it was a passenger plane.
And they have pictures of the BUK before the plane was shot down and pictures as it left Ukraine to return to Russia from where it came. Because the pro Russian separatist don't have such a gun, they had to borrow Russias.

 

You'd better stop embarrassing yourself. All those silly fraudulent claims have been debunked by experts. The pictures were fake, the video was fake etc...etc...Every single claim made by the U.S officials and the Ukrainian junta so far has been discredited and proven to be a lie. It's simply astonishing how amateurish the whole material was. If you want to frame someone, do it properly for goodness sake. Bloody ridiculous. Kids could figured it out, let alone professionals. As things stand the Ukrainian military shot down the plane.

 

Not to mention the fact that the crash site has been controlled by the pro Russians who have kept any official investigation from occurring. Looting the dead passengers of their valuables.

 

Not a one of them. The pro Russians have been shooting down aircraft on a regular basis lately.

 

Her entire world view seems to has as its foundation such silly rumors.

 

From July 25:

http://www.moonofalabama.org/

After all the propaganda about the downed MH17 flight, screams about alleged looting and demands of access to the site, one would have expected some serious attempts to immediately investigate the case.

But hardly any are made:

At the field in Ukraine where the exploded remnants landed, there are no guards and no recovery workers, no police officers and no investigators. Early Thursday evening, there were almost no people — just two curious 12-year-old girls looking at part of the tail of the Boeing 777. ... “There’s no one out here,” said Michael Bociurkiw, a spokesman for the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, whose monitoring mission has been on the site every day since Friday. As for the arrival of international experts, “it’s not like our door is being broken down.”

After the U.S. blustering "we have evidence" that Russia did it and then showing nothing of it - "just trust us" -the U.S. seems have lost all interests to really find out who's ammunition downed the plane. Russia had early on called for an international investigation and it was Russia alone so far which presented real evidence on the case. U.S. ships with very capable missile defense radars were in the Black Sea over the last weeks and likely have very detailed track records of every flight and missile launch up to several hundred of miles away. None of those have been made public. We can guess why.

And those "looting" claims?

There were a few new faces at the site on Thursday. Three Australian investigators worked in the field, joining three Malaysians. Before departing Thursday, the Malaysians said that they were surprised at the amount of access they had to the site and that they felt safe, Mr. Bociurkiw said.

There have been widespread reports of looting, but Mr. Bociurkiw said his monitoring group, which has now spent more time at the site than any other, had not seen any. The Malaysians said they had seen valuables in the fields untouched, he noted, including a bottle of duty-free perfume, auto parts, backpacks full of belongings, a watch and some jewelry.

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Indeed they brag about all the ukrainian military aircraft they've shot down, then they shoot down a civilian aircraft and quickly claim they don't have the capabilty to shoot down aircraft...

We know from where the missile was launched, rebel controled territory...
we know rebels initially claimed resonsibilty, then withdrew the claim when it was apparent they massacred civilian tourists....
we know the missiles were supplied by Putin...
we know the missile launchers were returned to russia to hide the evidence...
the only unknown is who was operating the missile launchers, rebels or russian military...

 

This false evidence, which have been made by the security service of Ukraine. Everyone knows it, only a fool repeats a lie.
[video=youtube;xt8dfb8t7vY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt8dfb8t7vY[/video]

[video=youtube;5T-ou8bSryI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T-ou8bSryI[/video]

 

Would seem you are the one claiming to be a specialists Rocketeer, when in fact you only demonstrate your ignorance of the topic.

 

Revealing. I challenge you on your claims regarding the shot down aircraft, and your response is to change the topic to artillary fired from Russia into Ukraine. Run little boy run.

 

Yep but only the military ones. There is not a single credible piece of evidence which would prove that pro Russian Donbass fighters shot down the plane. Not a single one. On the contrary, there is more evidence against the Ukrainian military. Hence the U.S silence.

I like to hear people who know few things about the planes and aerodynamics. Let's hear this German pilot.

Shocking Analysis of the ‘Shooting Down’ of Malaysian MH17
By Peter Haisenko Zur deutschen Version bitte hier anklicken

http://www.anderweltonline.com/wiss...lysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/

 

Its like a fanatical religous belief for those who worship at the feet of Putin. No amount of evidence can sway their belief in the divine.

 

I made ​​the right video. Sorry. I ask everyone: if someone has a real proof about the Russian, give it to the CIA. You will receive $ 1,000,000. I ask everyone: if someone has a real proof about the Ukrainian, give it to Putin. You will receive $ 1,000,000. But, I think Putin already has proof. Russian spies have a record of the last words of the pilot a Boeing 777. He says: "Oh my God, this is Ukrainian military plane!" Putin sent the recording to Obama through diplomatic channels. Therefore, the State Department is silent and has no evidence.

 

Well, Id say pictures of the misslile launcher before the shootdown, the pro Russians claiming they shot down the plane and pictures of the rocket launcher returning to Russia is all evidence that tends to prove just that.

 

Yes, it's true.

 

Silly little boy. Now your fabricating quotes and attributing them to the dead pilots. Your desperation is showing.

 

Fanatics or....paid russian propagandists, seems to me more than a coincidence that there is sudden influx of new russian members in the forum or they only post in regards to topics related to this incident...

 

Actually that is top quality trolling right there.

 

Soon you will see real trolling from my friend Putin.

 

And here are some tid bits from the all knowing, all seeing master of insightful observations as well as information...and a great satirist to boot; Pepe Escobar of the Asia Times:


...The US Navy, crammed with state-of-the-art missile defense radars, has been in the Black Sea for weeks now. As much as the Russians, they have tracked every particle flying over Ukraine. The NSA goes for signals intelligence; the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency goes for phenomena in the imagery realm; the Defense Intelligence Agency adds Humint; there's the CIA; and there's the all-seeing, all-knowing Director of National Intelligence. How come all this trillion-dollar Full Spectrum Dominance apparatus cannot come up with a single, conclusive piece of evidence?

SBU - Ukrainian intel - for its part confiscated the recordings of Kiev control tower talking to MH17. That would certainly explain why MH17 was overflying a war zone (Malaysian Airlines revealed they were forced to). Hefty bets can be made the recordings are now being "doctored".

Then there are the black boxes, which will not de decoded by the Malaysians or by the Dutch, but by the Brits - acting under Washington's orders. As The Saker blogger summed up the view of top Russian specialists, "the Brits will now let the NSA falsify the data and that falsification will be coordinated with the SBU in Kiev which will eventually release the recordings who will fully 'confirm' the 'authenticity' of the NSA-doctored recordings from the UK." To make it more palatable, and erase suspicions about Anglo-American foul play, the Dutch will announce it. Everyone should be forewarned...


Doesn't this all make you sick to your stomachs, it does mine.

 

How typical. For rednecks everyone who doesn't agree with them must be a Russian spy. Get a grip. All Obama's administration needs to do is to copy the Russians and present to the world their radars and satellites data. And of course the recorded communication between the control tower in Kiev and the MH17 which was forcefully confiscated by SBU once they have taken over the control tower and the equipment. Instead....silence....Silence is telling.

And those guys are well known pro-Russian Americans. Give us a break.


Obama Should Release Ukraine Evidence

July 29, 2014

With the shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over Ukraine turning a local civil war into a U.S. confrontation with Russia, U.S. intelligence veterans urge President Obama to release what evidence he has about the tragedy and silence the hyperbole.

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/29/obama-should-release-ukraine-evidence/

MEMORANDUM FOR: The President

FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)

SUBJECT: Intelligence on Shoot-Down of Malaysian Plane

Executive Summary