Man Arrested While Picking Up His Kids: 'The Problem Is I'm Black'

You are asserting this was not an issue of race, and it seems you have not watched the video. There were three cops on him when they tased him. The suggestion that they were trying to protect children is not reasonable.

The cops held this video for 6 months before releasing it.






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In most states, yes. However, the police can not compel you to identify yourself unless they can establish reasonable suspicion that you are involved in criminal activity.

 

Why did the public area have private security guards ?

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Any more info besides the article supplied ?

 

If you are referring to this guy -- based on what we saw in the video he was merely standing up for his rights. This is tarnishing blacks' image?

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What possible relevance does gun control have with regards to this story?

 

No. Only while driving are you required to carry ID in most if not all states. You are not required to even verbally identify yourself if you are not breaking any laws.

 

He was under no obligation to identify himself.

 

Investigate? Yes. Compel him to identify himself in the absence of reasonable suspicion? No. Taze and arrest him for standing up for his rights? Absolutely not.

 

OR perhaps gang-oriented, inner city 'culture' should be more vehemently opposed by the majority of law-abiding, decent black folks. Maybe the inner city 'culture' should be seen for what it is.....Anti-social and moribund.

 

Got it. Thanks for the clarification. I understand your point completely.

 

I agree. A simple accusation does not merit tazing, and I definitely sympathize with this guy who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Based on what you can see and hear in the video it is pretty damning for the police.

 

The biggest frustration of all of this is he was obviously not refusing to leave the area. He was being escorted by the police woman while calming stating his position and defending his rights. All the officers had to do was tell him to wait for his kids elsewhere and he likely would have cooperated fully. But as soon as the male cop showed up the black guy said "What's going on brother" and the cop said "I'm not your brother, put your hands behind your back?"

Like, what the hell? He was cooperating fully and following the female officer off the premise that whole time up until that point. There was zero reason to escalate the situation.

The guy was right. This is the sort of thing that would absolutely never happen to someone like me. A white man.

 

If they have reasonable suspicion they can detain him under the Terry stop rules. If he refuses to be detained they can use force. All they need is reasonable suspicion (not probable cause).

 

The cops in the video are hugely out of control. The department and the city should have to pay him a ridiculous sum of money and hopefully learn from the firing of all officers involved. What they did was sick, wrong, illegal, and they denied the man his constitutional rights.

1. You don't have to identify yourself unless the cop has a legitimate reason (crime, description, etc...)
2. The police cannot detain you, unless they have intent to arrest.
3. The police used force where zero was warranted.

Firings all around, pay the many $$$$, and apologize to the community.

 

What reasonable suspicion did they have?

 

Thank you.

 

Someone called the police on him. I don't know what was said in that call.

 

That's not reasonable suspicion. Reasonable suspicion means there is a report of an actual crime in progress and this man fits a description for that crime's perp or otherwise looks like he's about to commit a crime.

Simply waiting for your kids in an area accessible to the public is not reasonable suspicion. What crime did they suspect him of committing?

 

This is what the police stated:

"Our officers were called by private security guards on a man who was trespassing in a private area. The guards reported that the man had on repeated occasions refused to leave a private "employees only" area in the First National Bank Building.

With no information on who the man was, what he might be doing or why he refused to leave the area, responding Saint Paul police officers tried to talk to him, asking him who he was. He refused to tell them or cooperate.

Our officers are called upon and required to respond to calls for assistance and to investigate the calls. At one point, the officers believed he might either run or fight with them. It was then that officers took steps to take him into custody. He pulled away and resisted officers' lawful orders. They then used the force necessary to safely take him into custody."


Lollie's side:

Lollie says he was sitting in a chair in the skyway's hallway when a security guard approached him, told him he was in a private area, and threatened to call police if he didn't leave. But Lollie didn't see any signs specifying that the area was employees-only or private in any other way, so he decided to hold tight, confident police would have his back if they showed up.

Officers showed up shortly thereafter, and Lollie says he started filming his now-infamous video after the first cop on the scene grabbed him.

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/..._lawyers_question_aggressive_use_of_force.php

 

I only watched the first 30 seconds or so of the video.

I would like to know what took place before this, funny

how he just started filming when he did. Looks to me like

it could just be another case of a black dude with a chip

on his shoulder looking to create a crisis. All you have

to do to stay out of trouble with the police is to do what they tell you.

 

The skyway is open to the public and used regularly by members of the public. He was not being rowdy or doing anything that would warrant a security guard telling him to leave. He'd have a strong case for a discrimination lawsuit if he took a case against the owners of the building.

 

No. No you don't. Not as an American with inalienable rights.

You don't submit to random searches.
You don't let give a cop your I.D. for no damn reason.
You don't let a cop stop you unless they specifically state that you are not allowed to leave the scene and that you are being arrested.

If we all bent over like that, what is the next Constitutional Right they will trample on.

You don't give you your rights. This man, to me, is a hero.

 

Yes because everyone regularly films themselves waiting for their kids.

he, like most people, didn't start filming until (*)(*)(*)(*) went down.

 

How do you know what this guy was doing before the filming began???

 

Perhaps so, but supposedly he was in an employee only area. If he was on private property and asked to leave, that's the definition of trespassing and gives the cops reasonable suspicion. When he refused to put his hands behind his back and resisted, he got tazed for it.

I think he should bring a case against the bank and the police, but that case would have been much better if he didn't resist the cop's orders.

 

Because he specifically stated it in the video and the cop did not argue the point at any time. He repeatedly said it.

This crap is wrong. I don't care if you are white, black, purple, or blue... it's wrong.