Obama Wants To Ban Conversion Therapy For Gays

Obama wants to ban conversion therapy's for gays and transvestites for youths, but what if these youths want the therapy? Wouldn't he be going against their civil rights? I find this an interesting topic because I see homosexuality as a societal problem except for some rare cases where they might have a genetic deficiency, or an identification problem brought on in infancy by a domineering mother.

What I mean by a societal problem is, if someone lives in a culture where something is acceptable and commonplace such as drinking, taking drugs, promiscuity, dog fighting, street fighting, etc., etc., then there are bound to be young people who will fall prey to these societal influences. In these cases, wouldn't a young gay person have as much right as an alcoholic would or a drug addict to change themselves?

President Barack Obama has condemned the psychiatric practice that religious and conservative groups use to ‘repair’ gay, lesbian and transgender youth to make them straight. His decision will support efforts at state level to ban the practice.

 

Banning snake-oil hucksters trying to fleece the gullible with unproven 'therapy'? Yep, I'm in. This is what our guys say: http://www.ukcp.org.uk/UKCP_Documents/policy/Conversion therapy.pdf
There is no good evidence that this works, but plenty of potential for doing real harm.

 

The APA removed homosexuality from it's list of mental disorders. To the best of my knowledge, it is the only one that they have had removed, for political reasons of course. There was no science behind the decision. The science behind homosexuality and any further study of it has been virtually abandoned as taboo. Whether one wants to claim nature or nurture, the truth is that homosexuality is nothing more than crossed wiring in the brain from chemical imbalances which can be overcome with hormone drugs and therapy.

 

There are many evidences for positive effect conversion therapy.Obama is a fool.

 

You know this for a fact, do you? If so let's see your evidence.

 

The opposite of therapy is abuse. Call this fraud what it is: homophobic abuse perpetuated by ignorant cavemen that just want to spit in the faces of victimized people under the guise of "science".

This garbage has no business existing, and I wouldn't feel a shred of remorse if the death penalty was issued for trying to subject people to this abuse.

Queue the homophobes acting like I'm the bad guy for hating people that perpetuate systematic discrimination against people like me, as if their bigotry is just as good as my tolerance.

 

Yes I know many people were hoping against hope that they wouldn't be gay anymore. Well, it doesn't work that way. Or so I've been told.

Usually people just stick to what they like.

 

Always seemed absurd for the APA to declare that conversion of ones sexual orientation is an impossibility while they continue to advocate conversion therapy of ones gender. All while those who have gone through such therapy experience a suicide rate TWENTY times that of the general population.

 

Quaint, 20th century view.

The separation of sexuality from procreation entails its freedom from heterosexuality and its emergence as an individual attribute, something individuals can develop, enjoy, change or project as part of their changing definition of the self. Sexuality becomes plastic because the self itself has broken the bounds of traditional institutional expectations and it is now free to constitute and reconstitute itself in a series of narratives answering to nothing else but the growing freedom of individuals to develop their potential.
http://www.colorado.edu/Sociology/gimenez/work/GIDDENS.TXT

 

Good. Conversion therapy is a ridiculously inhumane and immoral practice.

 

If we treated all efforts at curing something like you seem to be in favor of, we would have found the cure for nothing!

LIfe seems to be driven to do at least two primary things. First to survive, second to procreate. And its not just humans that are effected by this, but the entire web of life. Given this fact, something that would cause a person to not to want to survive, or to not procreate is indeed ABNORMAL. It is out of step with the rules that govern life, which is to survive, then to procreate.

We actually viewed homosexuality rightfully in the past, for that is the obvious conclusion that a coherent brain would have to reach. And given this fact, we should indeed be seeking a cure, for those that want it, as we have sought cures for those that do not want to survive, but to blow their brains out. We still see suicidal people as mentally sick, yet now we want to make homosexuality as perfectly natural, when the facts of existence clearly show the opposite.

So, to not to research and to look for cures, is a particular form of insanity created by incoherent thinking, which creates political correctness in many cases. A male is supposed to want to shove his penis up a vagina, not another man's rectum. For if the human species did this, we would go extinct, unless we had to depend upon science to do the procreating for us. So any behavior that would lead to extinction is incoherent, and we should at least research it, and try to help those out who want to be helped.

 

Since there appears to have been homosexual activity among humans since the first words were scratched down, PROVE that having a certain small percentage of homosexuals in any human population IS NOT normal for that given population.

As there seems to have always been homosexuals, it is entirely possible that nature sees a need for a certain low percentage of humans to
be homosexual. As I cannot prove otherwise, I'm going to say this again...

Time to stop the persecution of gay people.

For over 3,000 years, gay people have been subjected to prison, execution, torture, chemical castration and being turned into lab rats for untested psychological experiments. This crap has got to stop.

Millions of Americans owe their very existence to the work of one gay man, Alan Turing. He's one of the fathers of the computer you're banging on now, and by cracking the Enigma Code when no one else could, he saved the lives of millions of our grandfathers and fathers in WW II.

For that, he was rewarded with chemical castration. This crap has got to stop.

I work with a number of architectural design firms - firms successfully completing hundreds of millions of dollars of construction projects - and a number of them are owned and operated by gay people. They are well educated and more successful than millions of the hetrosexual people running around this country. And here we have people sitting in Grandma's basement telling us they need "treatment"?

This crap has got to stop.

 

Id say there have always been bisexuals. "Homosexuality" as an inherent trait of the individual wasnt invented until the 1800s. Men frequently diddled little boys but they still married and fathered children with their wife.

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It already has, quite some time ago.

 

Prove that there were no homosexuals prior to the 1800s.






Waiting ...

 

The ole prove a negative ploy. Why dont you prove its existance.

 

I believe you are correct

Let's see your evidence to dispute it?

 

Gay internment camps certainly would have an appeal to some people, but not me.

 

Add another item to the list of things I could care less what BHO's opinion is.

 

I heard tell he also plans to make sex with Zebra illegal.....what's next, Banning the consumption of Rocks?

 

Your sig line.....no apologies necessary. I like it. Makes your stance crystal clear.

 

I agree completely. Doesn't work.

 

Just a few thoughts here: The woman who made it illegal to propagate homosexuality to minors in Russia said that it's emphasized in the US in order to hold down the population. Well I'm of a suspicious nature, so who knows? I always wondered if the whole woman's lib movement was to get women into the work field so as to compete with Japan and Germany? Never trust the government, it has devious ways,

Now I'll talk as a devout Orthodox Christian. I believe forcing conversion on others and making them feel guilty, is absurd. They are no more sinful than a fornicator or adulterer. They also have succumbed to their physical nature rather than fulfilling their full human potential and becoming more Godlike. A sin is really a limitation on the full potential of our humanity and Godlike nature. The more sinful, the more animal like we become.

The reason some homosexuals might be taking their own lives, (and I believe the number is very few), is because some people are imposing their own social values on them, without realizing it's a spiritual problem. The change has to come from within.

 

You're the one who stated homosexuals did not exist prior to the 1800s as if you had some proof to the statement.

I would look at the art work of early China and Japan and the lives of such notables as Leonardo DaVinci and Socrates and Alexander the Great and
conclude that it is entirely possible that there were gay people before 1800.

 

prove this statement.

 

Not disagreeing with you. However, if this is such a inhumane issue, why have only 2 states banned it?

To the OP.....again, I could care less what BHO's opinion is on this or any other matter.