180 Movie: From Pro-Choice to Pro-Life in seconds!

Warning: WWII Holocaust scenes
may be disturbing to some.​

This is an excellent film. I wish I had seen it earlier. Warning: Pro-Choice advocate may do a 180 and become Pro-Life supporters after watching this short but interesting movie of people who are converted in seconds! Watch at your own risk.

[video=youtube;7y2KsU_dhwI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2KsU_dhwI[/video]​

 

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"180" was a 2011 documentary made by Ray Comfort and his company, Living Waters Publications an all-male, Christian company.

"The Anti-Defamation League called 180 “one of the most offensive and outrageous abuses of the memory of the Holocaust we have seen in years”: The film is a perverse attempt to make a case against abortion in America through the cynical abuse of the memory of those killed in the Holocaust," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director and a Holocaust survivor. "Not only does the film try to assert a moral equivalency between the Holocaust and abortion, but it also brings Jews and Jewish history into the discussion and then calls on its viewers to repent and accept Jesus as their savior. It is, quite frankly, one of the most offensive and outrageous abuses of the memory of the Holocaust we have seen in years." - Source.​

 

The comparison is more than fair. When will humanity learn that treating a whole class of human beings as disposable needs to stop?
Was "Never again" just empty rhetoric?

 

One is left to wonder what depths you folks will sink to....Godwins law in action.

 

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1) The "Holocaust" analogy has become cliché. 2) "Disposable humans?" The US knows a lot about that. They created such a thing when they invaded Iraq. Respect for life doesn't end after birth. 3) Perhaps, what people need is another perspective on this; "The abortion/Holocaust analogy and the reality of abortion during the Holocaust."

 

So if someone dares to compare the death of 53,310843 unborn children to the Holocaust it is "the most offensive and outrageous abuses of the memory of the Holocaust"? I should think that saving lives, whether it is the lives of Jews or the lives of the unborn is an honorable endeavor. Part of what he is doing is educating people about who Hitler was and what the Nazi's did during the holocaust. Many of the people he talked to never heard of Adolf Hitler. If we don't remember the past we are condemned to repeat it. Educating people about the moral implications of murder and other sins is a righteous cause.

Why is it a problem to ask people "to repent and accept Jesus as their savior"? This is what evangelicals do everyday across America. It is part of our heritage of freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Would you silence him or ban his movie because it offended the ADL? You are free to choose to watch it for yourself or not. What are you afraid of? Are you pro-choice for abortion, but not for freedom of religion and freedom of speech?

 

Let me know if you feel the same way after you watch the movie.

 

That website is a perverse attempt to make a case for abortion in America through the cynical abuse of the memory of those killed in the Holocaust.

 

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The ADL reaction was an example of the abuse of the Holocaust analogy. Even non-Evangelical Christians agree; Antiabortion analogy is flawed but popular. The Evangelical's themselves are extremely problematic with their insistence on attempting to force their beliefs into what should be, secular law. Showing shocking footage of the barbarity of the Holocaust has become a cheap ploy or troupe. For example;

When TV personality Jessa Duggar visited Washington's Holocaust museum last year, she posted an image on Instagram of children in a concentration camp. The accompanying caption, though, had nothing to do with their miserable plight as victims of the Nazis' campaign of systematic slaughter and ethnic cleansing. It instead offered a muddled attack on abortion, linking the Nazis' racism with the supposed pro-choice "idea that man came from something less than human." - [Source ​

Believe what you want about abortion but the rights tactics have already pushed their message to all new lows.

 

For those of you who would suggest that comparing abortion to the Holocaust is sacrilegious I would suggest the opposite is true. We are told to never forget yet for those of us who think life in the womb is also sacred then it would be a disservice to not make such a comparison. If we wish to honor the lives of those lost then we are doing just that by pointing to the killing of the unborn while reminding people of how easy it is to forget the Holocaust and how easy it was for so many people to turn a blind eye to the inhumanity committed against the Jewish people. It was morally wrong what was done to dehumanize the Jews as less than human. The same is going on for prenatal life. We are dehumanizing them and turning a blind eye to the moral implications of abortion. It was quite easy to lower their moral standards and that is what is going on since Roe vs Wade. We are taking morality out of our society by taking morality out of our laws and God out of our hearts.

 

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That opinion, coming from a person who is already uncompromising in their own biased beliefs, has little value.

 

I confess, compromising my beliefs is not one of my strong points.

There is a war to win over the hearts and minds of Americans and I doubt the opposition will be compromising their beliefs any time soon.

 

The Nazis FORCED WOMEN TO HAVE BORTIONS AND GIVE BIRTH JUST LIKE ANTI-CHOICERS, THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME.

 

Yes, Anti-Choicers fuel their hatred for women this way, comparing them to Nazis when in reality the Anti-Choicers are in perfect alignment with Nazis.

It's amazing how frightened the pathetic cowardly little Anti-Choicers are so afraid of women that they must try anything to control them....

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No, DECENT Americans, UNLIKE YOU , do not make light of the holocaust and you WILL find that out.

 

Okay, that was a waste of 15 minutes of my life. Only 15 because I jumped forward occasionally to see if there was anything of value - there wasn't. It was all a classic practice in propaganda.

It didn't address what we've been discussing on other threads, such as the greatest cause of death for pregnant women being MURDER. It didn't discuss a solution for indigent females who are pregnant. It didn't discuss ways of getting the message of birth control out there. It didn't discuss morning-after meds that can actually circumvent fertilization of an egg. It didn't talk about solutions to any of the issues faced by females who can't afford to care for an infant.

Where are the solutions?

How many unwanted infants have you (personally) adopted?

 

It's always saddening when people try to compare abortion to the Holocaust. Personally I think it's pretty damn disrespectful and insulting to anyone who died in it or who lost family members during. But, since this is the abortion debate and many pro-lifers love their epic narratives, it gets thrown out more often than it should(which is zero).

 

Yes, whenever Anti-Choicers are desperate, have thrown out embarrassingly erroneous threads, have been trounced and humiliated, they then resort to the old Nazi theme....and never see the direct correlation between themselves and the Nazis......you'd think they wouldn't want to draw attention to their similarities....

 

It's too bad they take that tactic because it's ineffective to anyone who cares about people. I was once driving a car full of pre-teen gymnasts to a meet when we got stuck in traffic by one of those "vans" covered in photos of aborted fetuses. The girls were shocked and I didn't say anything to them - I just let them discuss what they were seeing amongst themselves. I'm sure the people driving the van thought it would convince those who saw it of the horribleness of abortion - but it had the opposite effect on the girls in my car. They were insulted and by the end of their discussion, every one one of them supported a pro-choice agenda, based solely on what they viewed as meanness and militant pro-life tactics.

Things like this backfire and it's too bad the pro-life crowd can't see that.

 

While I agree with some of this sentiment - you are the flip side of the coin.

It would behoove those of both extremes to moderate and work together.

 

No, I'm not extreme because I believe even women have a right to their own body.

Why do you think that's extreme?

 

This sort of nonsense does not impress anyone but those already on the bandwagon. A 2 week old fetus is Not a person, a huge failure in logic, one must accept the claim that an egg fertilized last night is a person to believe that the analogy has any relevance to reality. Nope another BS propaganda film and speaking of which, that is one thing that I give Cons credit for having learned from the Nazis, tell a lie often enough and for many it will become truth.

 

The topic aside, one only needs to look to one's own party to see that the democrats wrote the book on "tell a lie often enough and for many it will become truth."

I bit of introspection would be healthy before the pot calls the kettle black.

Oh, and a fertilized egg IS alive. How else could it grow into a fully developed person?

 

Let's not get off topic, the fertilized egg debate can be found with a search of this forum.


This is not about fertilized eggs it's about the Anti-Choicers comparing a fetus, which feels no pain, to actual human beings who suffered unimaginal horror and pain in the Holocaust.
There is no comparison, and minimizing what the victims of the Holocaust went through is despicable.

 

Wow, talk about propaganda. It's not a movie on feminism, it's a movie about abortion.

There is a solution to all the problems in the movie if you watch the whole thing. All you have to do is follow his suggestion of repenting your sins and that will solve all the problems.

 

I agree completely, and I wouldn't support something equally as crass if pro-choice folks were doing it either. There's no need for that. That's what the internet is for.

Your story reminded me of the first episode of West Wing, when Jeb Bartlett has the meeting with the evangelical leaders and tells the story about his granddaughter being handed a pamphlet with similar content. He demands that they condemn that group's actions publicly before he's willing to discuss anything further.