180 Movie: From Pro-Choice to Pro-Life in seconds!

So it's religious ......if "repenting your sins " will solve all the problems then why don't those who believe in sin repent and save the world...???

BTW, this isn't the religion forum.

 

How do you know [a 2 week old fetus is not a person]? How can you be sure? The bible says thou shalt not kill. What if you are wrong? Are you willing to take that chance with the life of another human being? Are you willing to take that chance with your soul?

 

This is not about fertilized eggs it's about the Anti-Choicers comparing a fetus, which feels no pain, to actual human beings who suffered unimaginal horror and pain in the Holocaust.
There is no comparison, and minimizing what the victims of the Holocaust went through is despicable.

 

LOL, I am not the one here comparing Nazis and those having abortions, that would also not be the Democrats, it is Cons using this tactic on this thread and that would be the issue that should have caught you attention. At least you admit, in a round about way, that the OP is a Lie, now that is progress.

 

So they were so insulted that they came to the conclusion that the people who were against abortion and posted those pictures on a bus were mean and evil and the people who actually perform those abortions and kill those babies were nice and good?

Using that logic in combination with the bad Holocaust comparison that would be like saying the people who photographed the victims and bodies at the concentration camps are mean and using militant tactics to try and convince me the Holocaust was wrong so therefore I'll take the other sides view.

 

It does not have a brain, that is where, by the way, we reside in the body, a little common sense on your part would be refreshing for a change. No the Bible says thou shalt not Murder, the Bible is full of killing.

 

How is the OP a lie? Do you mean the comparison to the Holocaust in the movie is a lie?

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Let me know if you still feel the same after watching the movie.

 

Yes it is.
I watched, there is some time out of my life I will not be getting back. Yes, I still know a two week old fetus does not have a brain and is not a Person. Maybe you should try that common sense thing I spoke of, ask someone to explain it to you if you do not know what it is.

 

Come on. We've been down this road before. If you learn how to give and take and discuss ideas instead of your mind slamming shut when anyone expresses themselves, you'd get further. But, it's up to you.

 

IF an Anti-Choicer EVER gave a good , factual, non-sexist, scientific, opinion, I'd think it over ...but they never have......it is not extreme to reject crackpot ideas....it's not "slamming your mind shut" to reject their idiotic comparisons and emotional BS.


No, I'm not extreme because I believe even women have a right to their own body.

AGAIN : Why do you think that's extreme?


And BTW, I am NOT the topic.....

 

I don't think allowing a woman a right to her own body is extreme - I think you're extreme. I know you don't think so - and many of your points I agree with, it's just when you start taking that "pregnancy harms women" and "a fetus is a attacker that must be defended against" that you slip in to the extremist side. That doesn't help anyone - certainly not your cause. Even though I'm not a religious believer, I recognize that those who are have strong religious objections. Tromping on their beliefs doesn't work - just like the guy who posted the silly video linking abortions to Nazi Germany. It's over the top. It turns people off.

The real way to make progress is to listen to others and to have calm discussions.

I'm not coming down on you - I know you're passionate about this. I'm just trying to tell you that there is a better way to achieve your goals.

 

OK, Mom, what are my goals....do please tell me since I AM the topic of discussion and you seem so totally all knowing (sarcasm alert).

Oh, and you aren't coming down on me since you can't despite your silly arrogance that makes you think you can...or I care.





Stating facts like "pregnancy harms women" is not extreme....it appears to be something YOU don't agree with so YOU think it's extreme....since neither you nor anyone else has EVER provided proof that pregnancy DOESN'T harm women but keep claiming it anyway shows a form of extremism , ignorance and inability to accept facts.

 

I will not bother...as your agenda dictates what is will present, and I am not fond of Hitler.

But hey....go ahead and present new stuff considering the old stuff has been destroyed.

 

Invocation of Godwin's law in the first post - thread fail

 

Didn't watch it, eh?

 

It's an even bigger fail than the your "Bruce Jenner proves forced abortions" debacle

Yup , Nazis and Anti-Choicers have a lot in common , they loved FORCING women to give birth

 

Yep started at least - as I said invocation of Godwin's law means an automatic win for the other side

 

So marching millions of babies off to the death mills is not the same as Nazi exterminations, but pro-lifers/Christians get compared to Nazi's, meh? That makes no sense.

 

Of course it doesn't make sense to you, it's logic and common sense.

NO babies are "marched off" anywhere in abortion.


Nazis killed and tortured persons, a fetus is not a person nor can it feel pain.

To compare the two is to denigrate the unbelievable suffering of people in the Holocaust....the ULTIMATE in showing disrespect for "precious life"

The Nazis FORCED some women to have abortions and FORCED SOME WOMEN TO GIVE BIRTH just like Anti-Choicers want to do.

 

How do we know Godwin wasn't a Nazi?

 

If that isn't an admission of "I'm wrong again" I don't know what is !!!

 

Paradoxically speaking maybe.

To Planned Parenthood abortion clinics.

Science says otherwise.

If we can't remember the Holocaust when millions are being killed, when can we invoke the memory of the Holocaust?

Another pro-choice poster lamented that women in death camps were being forced to have abortions or face Nazi medical experimentation. I've never seen proof that Nazi's had anti-abortion laws so what women were FORCED to give birth?

 

Read and learn:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Abortion_and_Nazism

Before accepting the parallel between abortion and the Holocaust, one should keep these points in mind:
The Nazis were opposed to abortion. Weimar-era Germany was, for its time, fairly liberal on the abortion question.[2] In 1939, the Nazis brought in laws that did away with this permissiveness, flatly forbidding except for eugenic purposes and by Jews.[3]
The Holocaust was a genocide. In these days, the Holocaust is less objected to for its large body count than for the fact that it was a genocide, or, as the United Nations says, an explicit attempt to destroy a nation, ethnicity, or race, or practitioners of a religion. Not only do fetuses do not form any such group, but they are not even being targeted on the basis of being fetuses.

 

You won't argue the point because there are no scientific studies showing a fetus can't feel pain.

You sure make a lot of baseless claims that aren't backed up with facts. I don't see how you can criticize me for using the Holocaust analogy while in the same breath you make the same analogy to the pro-life movement. That's called hypocrisy, right?