BREAKING NEWS: Migrants break Croatia police lines

You KNOW other peoples experience how?

 

We do not support Terrorism, MOD EDIT - Rule 3

 

And to think, all this started because Bush decided to remove Saddam from power.

No invasion of Iraq = No hundreds of thousands of dead innocents, no ISIS, no Arab Spring, a more stable Middle East, no mass migration of Arabs into Europe

 

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Chossudovsky added some background:

“Since the Soviet-Afghan war, Western intelligence agencies as well as Israel’s Mossad have consistently used various Islamic terrorist organizations as “intelligence assets”. Both Washington and its indefectible British ally have provided covert support to “Islamic terrorists” in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo and Libya, etc. as a means to triggering ethnic strife, sectarian violence and political instability… The ultimate objective of the Syria protest movement, through media lies and fabrications, is to create divisions within Syrian society as well as justify an eventual “humanitarian intervention”.’
Etc.
Read article here:
http://cultureandpolitics.org/tag/israel-and-americas-proxy-war/

"The United States knows that it does not have an independent foreign policy in the Middle East, says economist Paul Craig Roberts, who calls it a puppet government of Israel when it comes to affairs in the region."

There you have it, dear liwin. It is common knowledge that Israel controls Washington!!

 

Oh really? Saudi Arabia where Sharia is the LAW? What do you call that if not terrorism? They fund these ISIS idiots so by default you are the funder as your allies Saudis are pretty much in bed with these terrorists. Jeez are you americans blind or what?

If I had the means I would gladly send all of these refuges to your state so you can see the mess you created. This aint the first time either.

 

They are refugees when they reach the first safe country.

Once they choose to keep moving to a country with nicer streets and cleaner housing, they become illegal migrants.

True refugees simply look for safety from war or persecution.

 

A well trained, well armed American solider is still no position to know what it feels like to be a Syrian civilian stuck in the middle of a civil war.

 

its amazing how heartless some folks can be.

im sure many refugees during WW2 were themselves former soldiers.

 

You have a complex situation. You have refugees seeking escape from hell in Syria, Afghanistan, Eritrea Iraq and other places. The refugee crises is real.

There are also economic migrants. As far as terrorist infiltrators as the news has well reported you may get some but the much more likely way to deal with that is with people already in Europe.

You have Germany for Western Europe being very open to the refugees from Syria, not least because we know that the ones who have been able to leave are generally well educated and at least had money.

Most people are able to accept that the refugees from Syria desperately need help. They have ISIS on one side and the Syrian Government on the other attacking them. Think of Yarmouk.

Obviously both the economic migrants and those fleeing Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc want to be considered Syrians because Germany has said it wants to give refuge to those from Syria.

Then you have Hungary, which has now been declared a country not safe for refugees, firing tear gas and water cannon over the border to them in Serbia.

They reach Croatia, 7,500 I hear of them today. It was offering a welcome but obviously is overwhelmed. The refugees/migrants become scared for different reasons and lets be honest they must be incredibly traumatised already so when they are stopped for hours in what I am told is horrendous heat, eventually they make a move.

Now what we need is for the people of Europe to come together on this with a definite response to all the genuine refugees. Then we might be able to set up something which could send the economic migrants back home and give the refugees what they need and deserve - through all time humanitarian law going back through history.

Bin Laden won. He has created an extremely difficult situation for not the US I must say but Europe to solve. America and the UK lost. Giving up International Law is inviting terrorist anarchy. Now we have the hell from the US and UK actions of creating failed States, inviting radical Islamists in as our Intelligence told us a war on Iraq would do.

The bottom line is Europe has the choice. It pulls together and gives these refugees refuge or god help the whole world because that will be WW3 and the total end of law in this world.

 

Doesn't matter how this problem was created, whose fault and so on. The refugees are real, and it's not enough to build an iron fence and spray tear gas at people. Nobody deserves such a treatment. If Hungary doesn't want to let them go through the country they must build camps for refugees and create proper conditions for life in these camps. Besides, the number of the refugees is not so large that Europe cannot solve this problem. They can easily host several thousand people, but Europe must do something, it needs a real work, all these stupid shows in railways arranged by Germans - flowers, toys, applauses, smiles, "Refugees are Welcome!" and other stupid things - it's a kind of mass insanity, and it can't help.

 

do ISIS on one side and the Syrian Government attack them in Turkey? and why those people try to reach exclusively countries with world highest GDP per capita?

 

I can't answer that one but it is certainly true that Turkey and other countries have taken an enormous share of the refugees and those refugees are suffering. I also remember that the UN was saying it would no longer be able to afford education for the Syrian refugees.

I also know that many Muslims feel afraid of the way Turkey is moving - whether they have a need for this fear or not I do not know.

 

Good question. I am not really wanting to get into Turkey politics as they themselves are quite complicated. For instance if you are a Kurd, do not expect a long life.

Though as I have said concerning Syria the people heading for Europe are the well educated and rich - so treated well we could expect like, to be honest in the UK all migrants, they will give rather than receive.

From what I have heard the Syrians wanting to come to Europe are moved by the belief that Europe has decent human rights. I accept that having accepted previous Russian countries this has been somewhat destroyed but I hope it can be got back even if that means losing ex communist countries from the EU.

 

south Kurdistan takes them all, + YPG provide safety in regions which under YPG control

agreed, and what they are gonna get here? those people stack in our narratives.

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have you been in Turkey? i was 2 times . its way better then rest of MENA...

 

Whether she is or not, what we need to be speaking about now is a humanitarian resolution to this crises.

They want to come here. Germany intelligently thinks yes. Others sure, economic migrants mainly are holding on to their coat tails. Israel is terrified. If Europe gets decent ME people they will hear a different voice and a different voice from people who clearly are not extremist. May sound little but they want everyone to believe being a Muslim is being an extremist when most of the time it is not,

Most Muslims who have supported the extremists have done so because of the creating of failed states in their lands and what they see as the war against Islam. That began when the US on the advice of mainly Israeli/US advisors and that is got from Jewish voice for Peace which at the time acknowledged that it was American/Jewish Israeli people who fought for the war on Iraq but played down that it was deliberate because it had not worked.

Anyway I am well tired. I am a supporter of Jews who are not of this mind and they are many and I will always support them against antisemitiem. I am against the racism which appears to be endemic in Zionists but I can no longer ignore that it exists and I will continue to fight anti-Semitism which unfortunately seems to be genuinely rising in the UK. No longer though just because Israel says to oppose her disgusting policies can it be called antisemitism,. Israel and her supporters want the anniliation of people who do not support ISIS and want our people to fight to the death for this is over. Israel has created this possibly due to her people being the majority who decided on this.

The EU must follow it's conscience and allow people fleeing ISIS on board. They are our people. The US and Israel that is another question,

 

The above is your personal belief. Legally its partially true.

According to the UN definition of a refugee which most European countries, the US and Canada have signed on to, to follow, a refugee is defined as someone fleeing persecution that discriminates against them because of their perceived gender, gender preference, race, ethnicity, creed or religion.

It is often extended in common every day language to mean almost anyone who flees from anywhere.

The word refugee comes from the word refuge so technically it means anyone seeking refuge but it was changed by the UN.

As Ronstar referred to, some countries now state, if you escape from the site of discrimination and make it to a safe country, then if you move past that country, you are no longer a refugee but a migrant.

Most migrants are on the move because of:

1-poverty
2-desertification
3-floods, tsunamis, earthquakes, lack of water, environmental disasters, often man made
4-war
5-violence their own states can not control
6-disease

The vast majority of refugees die within a day or two walking distance from the problem zone from dehydration, diaheria, cholera, typhus, starvation or other infectious diseases or parasites/worms.

At the current time to be smuggled anywhere requires a minimum of twenty thousand US which is a fortune to third or fourth world people which means the vast majority of refugees go not very far and die as I say from overcrowding and lack of food and water, particularly the elderly and the young.

Rape among refugees is common and so is murder and other crimes of refugee on refugee violence as society breaks down and its survival of the fittest.

A lot of these rapes produce pregnant children of 9 or 10 who die from complications.

Virtually all refugees have serious gum and tooth decay and diseases. If they do survive they have far higher rates of diabetes, cancer, polio, scurvy, rickets, tuberculosis, leprosy, heart disease, mental illness.

Its very rare a refugee does not have physical and mental illnesses and issues that need to be treated. The fact they remain hidden does not mean they exist. Post traumatic stress syndrome particular to certain refugees is very real and its not necessarily curable. It can be modified and contained but it remains throughout a refugee's lifetime.

No whether someone meets the UN definition of refugee or not, the bottom line is people on the move and who are poor are desperate, unskilled, lacking in transferable skills to assist them in making a transition. Wherever they end up, they find themselves overwhelmed with culture shock and if a society is lucky the third generation of such people might be able to break out of the cycle of depression and other self destructive behaviour that kicks in. Often the children of refugees have a host of emotional illnesses that come from carrying the burden of their parents and serving as the liaison between the new and old worlds. They have to balance to conflicting worlds with themselves caught in the middle feeling part of neither and called on to translate and emotionally care take fellow refugee children in schools on top of their parents. Its a hell of a burden.

Within the refugee community are rapists, pedophiles, criminals of all kinds preying and looking for young children to abduct and sell as sex fodder or terrorists.

Interestingly when we study the reaction of people to refugees, the more the refugee looks like the person reacting to them, the more likely they will feel guilt which is why for example last month when a baby was found dead on a Turkish beach there was a sudden reaction but for years when black babies washed up on beaches, not a peep from the same people suddenly outraged.

When millions of babies who are black or brown or Asian die, the Western press says very little. Once they look white, kablam the liberal knee jerks suddenly notice.

During the current crisis what people do is compartmentalize. They can't grasp the sheer extent of the issue, so they simplify or compartmentalize it and so suddenly the discussion is limited to Syrian refugees and not Africans, Asians, Afghanis, Iraqis, Serbians, Croatians, Roma, and so on.

The fact is Syrians are just one of thousands of peoples on the move. The vast majority of movement is coming from China and the Indo-Pakistani regions caused by a lack of water. Afghanistan supposedly still produces the most refugees.

The UN definition of a refugee is someone who themselves had to flee, not their children born outside the country where their parents fled. There is one exception to that rule. The UN has decreed a Palestinian refugee can be ANYONE who claims to be descended from whom they claim to be a Palestinian as long as that person claiming to be a Palestinian is NOT Jewish. There is no other test used. The vast majority of supposed Palestinian refugees today are in fact people born two generations removed from an alleged relative from so called "Palestine". They do not have to prove it, just claim it. Mathematics alone would indicate the vast majority of people who claim to be Palestinian refugees are in fact descended from Muslim peoples from Iraq and other Sunni Arab League nations who flooded Palestinian actually displacing Palestinians when the British created a new immigration law to try swamp the area with Muslims to prevent a Jewish state.

Most of those so called Palestinians are descended from Muslims who displaced Muslim Palestinians, Jewish and Christian Palestinians and in some cases Beduins and Druze.

In the case of Palestinian refugees the UN set up their own refugee service that caters to them. No other refugee group has such a service nor is recognized in the same manner.

Its interesting now, because after the Arab League failed in its war to remove Jews from the ME and prevent a Jewish state, that Arab league announced it would forcefully place Palestinians in camps as a reminder to the world that until Israel was removed it would keep these people in the camps as a visible reminder. To this day the Arab League will not permit citizenship of these people. The one exception was Jordan a state created unilaterally and illegally by Britain as a Jew free Palestinian state. Up until 1967 anyone calling themselves Palestinian, was given automatic citizenship in Jordan which to this day refers to itself as a Palestinian state. When Arafat then failed to kill King Hussein in the Black Sabbath uprising and take control of Jordan, at that time Hussein expelled Arafat who fleed to Tunisia and then coined the phrase Palestinian to mean a national citizen of what is today Jordan, Israel and the West Bank. To this day the Palestinian Authority and Hamas and the Arab league contend there should be a non Jewish state in what is now Israel amalgamated with Jordan and turned into a Sunni Sharia law state.

Ironically Israel was created as a final existential resolution to Jews facing extinction as a people from persecution both in the Christian and Muslim worlds. To this day, the same Arab League that does not think a Jew can be a refugee or be a national, or have a religious state, confers the exact same status it will not on Jews, to Muslims it calls Palestinian but who in fact are born on the West Bank or in Gaza or are any non Jew Muslim who has come to the West Bank and stayed more than one year. Its that simple. Arafat blew up the land titles office on the West Bank to prevent anyone from being able to show that the vast majority of people on the West Bank illegally occupied land from fellow Palestinians no different then what they have accused Jews of doing in Israel.

As the world now knee jerk reacts to the ME civil wars creating refugees continue all across the world but our knee jerk liberal friends would tell us suddenly Syrians take tot he top of our concern list.

These knee jerk liberals ignore that Iran, China and Russia who finance Syria and enable Assad to chemical attack and bomb Syrians creating refugees will not themselves take in refugees.

The Arab League? Well they wage war by proxy through Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, Jordan, Kuwait, Yemen. Bahrain against ISIL but Iran as well. Obama? Well the US President who bragged of his Muslim Brotherhood connections and how he. Erdogan and Morsi of Egypt working with this Muslim Brotherhood would bring peace and enlightenment is the one with the most blood on his hands. His mercenaries trained to remove Ghaddafi then move on to Syria turned on him and now this ISIL just another rogue CIA gone bad band of lunatics is doing what? Well it creates even more refugees and what does Obama do, suck up to Iran now to try defeat them unfreezing $150 billion to Iran which will now pour into its financing of terrorists world wide. Atta boy Obama.

The solution? It won't come until Obama is out and the US armed forces is no longer restricted by him. The US has to regain its status as being the no.1 foe to any terrorist, Shiite or Sunni.

It has to stop cowtowing to Iran, China and Russia in the ME and return to being a world leader and policeman.

The vacuum caused by Obama removing the US from the world stage, apologizing for it being a police man of the world, will end. Hopefully. One would hope the US will laugh off Biden or Clinton for what they are, captives owing their election campaigns to the Iranian lobby in Washington.

We need a Republican back in office-someone prepared to stop apologizing for the US and willing to tell both ISIL and Iran to kiss off. That is the only solution to refugees in the ME. Going back to their source and taking out the terrorists and fundamentalists creating them.

 

karma

 

Muslims two times emigrate to Europe. One time for propagation of Islam and next time to escape from Islam!

 

its impossible to separate those who flee IS and economical emigrants. if you flee IS stay in Lebanon , Turkey or Bulgaria which give 98% of them the resident status , Germany is just to 43% . war on Islam? you must be joking? Islam is the best tool for oppressors, and is doesn't matter how much we pay for oil , Finlay all money come to our banks anyway.

 

bbc....

 

Add draft dodger to the list
http://www.ibtimes.com/syrian-men-conscripted-bashar-assads-army-choose-escape-over-kill-or-be-killed-1919724

 

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Typical Muslim BS blaming everyone but themselves. So tired of this narrative playing over and over, just like the brainwashing it is.
Is there any Muslims that think the world owes them nothing? It's Israels fault? That right there is a crock of (*)(*)(*)(*). Where and how has the Israelis added to the wars in the Middle East ? No Israelis in Yemen, Iraq or Syria.
Your take on Radical Muslims only existing because America made them, is utter BS. The best part is you admitted there are radicals among women and children because the Radical Bent Muslim is ingrained into Muslim society, because your propaganda never ends. Propaganda from the Mullahs ,the news and the politicians. Hate is learned and passed down from generation to generation. Now we see what modern telecommunications and Internet can do with the Muslim propaganda and how fast it spreads.

 

That's your opinion. If someone tried to take over America, would you fight, or flee?

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Calm down. I too think Obama and Congress' decision to arm the terrorists was stupid.

 

I would fight, of course. But Syria is the size of North Carolina and you have many factions in a horrific civil war. It's a different situation over there.

 

I saw them being sprayed with tear gas through the fence the other day, knew this was gonna explode, can you imagine, be like sitting on a plane in the runway for hours and then getting sprayed with tear gas, then saying your have to sit there for a few more days

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