What I want as a Gun Grabber from you Gun Nuts

First off, I want the stricter background checks to keep Guns out of the hands of people who are mentally unstable and on medication. Second I want new laws written for Gun owners to be held to the highest level of the law ( Including Execution ) if you are careless enough to leave your Guns laying around to be stolen or used by a family member to go out and massacre a bunch of people, Agree! to that and I don't care if you lay in Bed with your Guns and Rub um all over your Body, but if that beloved Gun of yours gets out of your control and kills someone, YOU! get a Bullet in the Head from it. Hows that sound

 

So you support the execution of people that have their guns stolen, do support the execution of people that murder or commit violent crimes with guns?

 

I want unAmerican progressives to leave the country, clearly the Constitution is too much for them...

 

Typical progressive attitude that it is other people's fault for what someone else does, that and a neurotic fear of an inanimate object. Then there is the effort to label people as nuts because they understand and practice freedom. Then there is the usual sexual reference as if they equate guns with sex. Where do they get that from? Sounds kind of sick to me. Plus the usual blood lust to kill those they don't understand. Quite a panoply of weird things going on.

 

But of course none of this is going to happen and represents liberal fantasy to the highest degree.

 

Rather paranoid and stupid.

 

Or the OP can just go to a country that bans guns.

 

When the Second Amendment fanatics (we don't want to offend them by calling them "gun nuts") call themselves "responsible gun owners", they don't mean responsible, they mean responsible.

If they leave their loaded weapons laying about for anyone to pick up, that is responsible, because the weapon is not laying about, it is accessible for a rapid response to danger. Only irresponsible gun owners leave their gun(s) laying about for anyone to pick up.

Now that we understand the difference between a responsible gun owner and an irresponsible gun owner, the difference between responsible and responsible, and the difference between leaving a gun laying about to be picked up by anyone and leaving a gun laying about for a rapid response to danger, everyone can now feel secure.

 

Gun crime is declining I thought so why fix something that isn't broken?

Obviously its not the problem of the guns or we would be seeing a rise in gun crime as more are put into society. Would the OP care to discuss that particular topic?

 

Can we do the same general idea with welfare?
Especially the "bullet in the head" for the drug users, capable to work, having (more) children while on welfare, cheating to receive welfare........etc.
HMMM......how about voter fraud also?
How about those that don't repay student loans?
This "bullet to the head" thing could be fun..........

 

That makes no sense at all. If someone breaks into my house and looks into the table next to me he's going to see the pistol and 2 spare mags that sit there. THEN if he desires to steal it that make him a thief but somehow I'm irresponsible. By that token you'll have no problem if I come to your house and you see me sitting on your commode uninvited. Geez liberal thought, such as it is.

 

Hate to see what he does to people that have their car stolen and is used in a car chase killing someone. Death to the car owner? Made force the car owner to be used in a car wreck that will kill him.

 

What about POTUS that give guns to Mexican Drug Cartels. Then those guns kill American Border Patrol Agents like Brian Terry? Should we kill them too?

 

I can live with background checks and laws about holding gun owners liable in certain ways.

The problem is that liberals won't stop there. If they get those things passed, they'll move on to more invasive laws. They won't stop until only the government has guns.

 

I agree that we need to vet gun purchasers better, I certainly wouldn't want someone like you to own a gun.

 

First of all, the law you want is already in place. It's called the Brady Act. Everyone (with exceptions that are for practical purposes, negligible) who buys a gun must fill out a 4473 form, of which question 11f is "have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective....?"

The real problem here is not that a new law is needed, but that due to the bankruptcy of the psychiatric/mental health industry, the law we have cannot be effectively enforced. The APA essentially decides what is a mental illness by voting on it. When I was a kid, homosexuality was a mental disorder according to the official diagnostic manual (DSM). Now 'homophobia' is considered a disorder. Go figure.

Fix the psychiatric/mental health biz, and you can fix that problem.

As for the second point (execution of gun owner's whose guns are stolen) that is just not very bright. You're blaming the victim. I do't care if you lie (not lay) in bed with your gun control proposals and rub them all over your body (note the lack of weird capitalization) but if you take away my right to defend myself from criminal violence and I wind up dead, YOU! get deported to a gun-free paradise such as China, Cuba, or North Korea. How's (note the correct use of apostrophe) that sound?

 

What I want as a Gun Grabber from you Gun Nuts.

Simply put is that I don't give a flying frick what you want...

 

Bit strict - we did not go QUITE that far but we did make gun owners responsible for where and how their guns are used

 

The problem is that most of the so called "gun owners" who engage in the vast majority of shootings are already convicted criminals or are engaged in criminal behavior. They already don't follow laws, could care less about them and have nothing to be sued for in the first place. I can see it now, lets sue the corner boy for everything he's worth. Laughable and so totally and typically liberal.

 

And the majority cannot legally own a gun in the first place. Criminals ignore gun laws just as they ignore all other laws.

 

Weirdly enough I know many gun owners who'd like to see nation hating, Constitution despising leftists -- um -- messed up in a variety of intriguing and inventive ways. To each his own, I suppose.

Personally I think that haters of the Constitution and of freedom will eventually get their way and eliminate gun ownership by all good citizens. But that's going to take some time. It will be an interesting process to watch.

 

so how are you going to go about keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill?
do you know how many millions of Americans are on depression medication?
how are you going to be able to preserve the right to medical privacy? the same right that was used as the argument to make abortion legal in all states.
wont this discourage people from seeking medical help for any mental conditions knowing their name will be placed on a list and rights getting taken away?
you really haven't thought this through have you?
just another knee jerk reaction all based on emotion

 

I accept the hidden challenge offered in your proposal to show the flaws it contains...

So... criminals, will break into homes and steal guns... they will commit crimes with said stolen guns... the owners of those guns, will now end up in prison...

society will react in a couple ways...

the middle class, will begin to voluntarily turn over weapons, or destroy them so they won't end up in prison should someone steal or use their weapon... criminals, will begin a rush of looking for people with weapons, and actively seek them out to take them... this will cause a lot of violence and fights as criminals look to gain power that lawful people are willing to give up, to avoid prison as the result of someone stealing their weapon... so now criminals will have all the force and power and begin to actively without fear, commit more crimes and hold cities hostage... the wealthy will see this happening, and pay middle class people who still have guns, outrageous amounts of money in order to get any guns and ammunition they have left...

so now, thanks to this new law of yours... only criminals and the wealthy will have all the guns and power...

ironic, this is the very thing democrats usually say is wrong with society... but they just enacted a law leading to this exact result...

so now in your new world, where nobody has a gun except the wealthy and criminals, what will happen to the lawful middle class who turned in their guns because they didn't want to risk prison time, they will now become pillaged and held hostage by the criminals... and the wealthy, well they have hired guns standing outside their porches, and since they bought up the remaining guns, they will be free from the harm... what happens when a police gun is stolen? you know they are required to keep those shotguns locked in the trunk, will the police chief, or the mayor be put in prison for that stolen gun? it was their policy?

I notice you haven't responding to any of the questions people have proposed in your thread... is that because you stole this idea from the other thread and saw me propose the same questions to that guy, who also hasn't come up with an answer for what I just stated above? and that your logic is utterly flawed, and you can't dispute the reality I painted for you above becoming true? and that isn't something you can defend? or let me guess... "its different" in your utopia?

 

That's what I did. Better looking womans, too.

 

Unfortunately even tea partiers and true patriots are entitled to the same Constitutional protections as everyone else.