What regultions/controls do you Gun Grabbers want

So is it a government list of people who owns guns and which type?

 

Who the hell cares what the gun grabbers want since it is against the Second Amendment, so what they want is against the law--------------period.

 

9. You can own a car that can travel at over 200MPH. You can own a gun that is full auto with an unlimited magazine capacity.

 

Nor do we have anyway of tracking person to person private sales.

 

Perhaps not the best title for a question based thread as it places the conclusion before the question.

1) Enforcement of laws that are on the books. (Will require more manpower)

2) Firearms kept out of the hands of the mentally ill. (Will require more manpower)

3)Firearms kept out of the hands of those on probation or parole. (Will require more manpower)

4) Mandatory gun safety certification. (Too many people wounded or killed in gun related accidents)

5) Penalties for gun owners who do not secure their firearms to a reasonable degree. (Too many people killed by stolen guns)

Here is what I do not want... a gun grab.

 

Not according to the Supreme Court in DC vs. Heller and McDonald vs. Chicago.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html
http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/08-1521.htm

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Actually, in terms of #4, the numbers are fairly low. Gun accidents are fairly rare, which is why it's national news when a kid gets a gun and shoots another kid accidentally.

 

I agree #5 is a bit blurry as what constitutes securing firearms to a responsible degree will be a hotly contested topic. I am all for gun owners having easy access to a firearm for home defense, but what if there is a mentally ill person living in the residence? How does a responsible gun owner balance the need to guard ones home with keeping the firearm out of the hands of the mentally ill person in the home? Some difficult questions that I do not have the answer to. And this is only one of many different scenarios I can come up with when attempting to define what constitutes a responsible gun owner.

 

If we want to do it right, we'd give personhood to firearms. No more of this savage gun slavery. Guns are people too and they deserve the same rights as everyone else. In the future, you'll have to pay your gun a decent wage. Also, thanks to same-sex marriage, it'll be easy to make it legal to marry your guns. You righties said it would happen, that slippery slope you warned us about and now here we are. But only one gun spouse at a time, there will be absolutely no polygunnery. That's immoral.

 

Is not the cost worth saving just one child's life?

I do not vouch for this site but according to the following link "From 2005-2010, almost 3,800 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings".
http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-deaths-and-injuries-statistics/

Notice the above says died which means a unknown number of people were also wounded. If this be the case I think it makes my case for 4) Manditory gun safety certification.

 

The co-author disagrees, I do believe "“I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” – George Mason Speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 14, 1778"

What was that context again lol?

 

If you take the firearms away from the mentally ill you must also take them from the black community. ( more sane black people kill people than the mentally ill )

They are both minorities and Both deserve their right to self defense.

 

That's why they ignore the worst places of gun violence.

#1 If they did something about those places, gun violence would normalize and they can't have that for their agenda

#2 The liberals would be forced to go house to house in Chicago and that would just be racist wouldn't it

 

According to federal law, 10 U.S. Code § 311 - I'm the militia and you are the militia. I assume all law abiding males in America are the militia.

For one to be able to say that he has honorably served his country as a member of the unorganized militia one must own and possess a military style rifle. Those males who don't own a military style rifle are close to being traitors and should be drummed out of the militia and given a Bad Chicken Dinner and never allowed to vote in America.

 

Wrong.

The Constitution does not grant the federal government the power to regulate firearms. The 2nd Amendment does not limit the right of people to own firearms and was intended to make clear that state militia were not considered a "standing army" (which is forbidden by the Constitution).

The Bill of Rights was never intended to define or limit the rights of the people, that's a recent misinterpretation because of 200+ years of manipulation and corruption have so twisted the government that people think the Constitution grants the federal government all powers except those expressly defined by the Bill of Rights.

And learn what "well regulated" means before basing your entire argument on a phrase you do not understand.

 

This thread is 20 pages long, and I don't want to read all the posts because i'm lazy; but, I heard Hilary wants a law that enables victims of gun violence to sue gun manufacturers. Can you imagine all the law suits coming out Chicago, Oakland, etc..

 

Nor would any of congress' enumerated powers allow legislation enacting such tracking.

 

You really sound like a broken record.

 

Not a fair comparison as cars are less often used in homicides or to rob people or otherwise threaten them. So if a child in is the home what is a reasonable step to take in securing a firearm that leaves the owner able to defend their home while ensuring that the child has no possible way to get their hands on the firearm? What is a reasonable effort to secure a firearm from theft during a home invasion while the owners are out? Lots of tough questions that are in need of answers IMO. We have to do something to curtail gun violence and some of those things may limit rights... such as one can only own a firearm if they pass a firearm safety certification course.

 

So refute me.

 

that's why my children, including my 9 year old daughter, have full working knowledge of every firearm in the house, including all the rules of safe handling.

Not only can she correct you on proper operation and maintenance, she can clean them all as well. About the only thing she can't do is lock the slide on a handgun.

Buying a gun and then acting like it's a dirty secret does not do your kids any good.

Of course you want to limit their access until they have awareness that things can hurt them or others, but pretending they don't exist and hiding them is the worst thing you can do with older, inquisitive children.

We also have a safe to put them in, but at no time are all of them in there unless we're not home or for certain visitors (at least ones not in my immediate possession).

 

1) Universal Registration: I already tell the government what type of firearm I purchase every time I fill out a 4473. 2)Mandatory Training: I'm ex military, is that good enough? 3) enforcement of reasonable restrictions on purchase: What's reasonable and whose definition do I have to abide by? Yours? Mine? The Government's? 4) Like the purchase of a car: Now you are contradicting yourself...You see if I can afford a $500k Ferrari then I can buy it so under this logic I could buy a 50 caliber Barrett sniper rifle or a tank or a fighter jet...The only thing limiting me is money. 5) Competency: Who sets those standards? Do I have to be able to hit a target 8 out of ten times at 7 yards? Or do I have to pass a Police training course? 6) Mandatory safety regulations: I think you will find that most firearms owners are meticulous in the care of their guns...Cleaning, oiling, etc.

In other words everything you are requesting is already in place...We don't need more laws on the books, we need the current laws enforced. According to the NICS website, 77000 felons were denied to purchase a firearm. Where were the arrests? These felons should be back in jail.

 

Indeed. It is up to parents to decide if they want educate their childeren about firearms and it is up to each individual child to decide if they are interested in firearms. But a family that shares a love for firearms can be a good thing.