VOTER ID BILL: Wisconsin turnout highest in presidential primary since 1972 (ODD HEY)

We all heard the stories, Wisconsin republicans are passing voter ID to suppress votes, and because of this, we will have low voter turnout, silencing the voices of minorities who are unable to get ID's required to vote, and republicans will ruin the democratic process with their nazi tactics of control...

however... on tuesday april 5th we seem to have had an almost record turnout for a presidential primary... WITH voted ID in place, and we even managed to register TENS OF THOUSANDS of new voters who never voted in an election before (another claim made on a thread on this website said nobody would be allowed to register the day of elections because their interpretation of an editorialized website was apparently fact instead of fiction)...

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/374737091.html

P.S. so those who said, voter ID will cause the lowest turnouts in history, what do you say now? would you like to spin and deflect the RESULTS???

P.S.S. Milwaukee County, which has most of the states minorities, had a 58% turnout, so even higher than the statewide average... so MORE people voted in the minority districts than in the non-minority districts... who wants to tell me voices were silenced in this primary election when we're the second highest totals in the nation...

http://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/voter-turnout-in-wisconsin-higher-than-expected

 

Thanks for the post.

I don't even engage in anti-voter-ID debates. For as long as I can remember, I have reflexively pulled out my voter registration card at polling places to identify myself.

Should we expect the pollsters to just take our word for it that we are U.S. citizens, that we are 18, that we are not convicted felons, that we are n to under indictment, that we have not already voted under a different name in another precinct across town? Ridiculous debate, and I don't care how many are adversely affected. Don't have ID? You can go get an ID like the rest of us. And you have YEARS to get it done.

 

and if all the things you said weren't enough... in wisconsin... the state ID is FREE... and the documents required to get the state ID, are FREE also... so nobody can complain its a hurdle or impossible for the poor to get one... the documents are free to get the free photo ID... free on top of free, democrats love free stuff...

 

This is good, and as long as no one is disenfranchised, I have no problem with it. It is a government program however, and it does cost. We'll see whether people accept the additional cost as being preferable.

 

Did you mention all the illegal voters turned away at the polling stations that failed to commit a felony? This was about voter suppression, nothing else. It does nothing to encourage more voting, in fact it is intended to depress the vote. A Wisconsin republican official admitted it on local TV this week. The GOP only wins when turnout is low. I just added up the total vote, around 2 million out of an eligible voter block of a bit over 4 million. About half the voters went left, half went right. So you really cannot say that the ID did or did not work, all you can say is that about 50% of all eligible voters had an ID and voted. Since the split between left and right in Wisconsin is pretty tight, any voters you can dissuade or deny are magnified. So which of the voting block was this intended to affect? I think we all know that answer. You know, I can deal with right wing baloney in seconds, why can't our media do it with all their staff?

 

well don't be worried about the cost, because the fact remains, almost EVERYONE in the state already has a drivers license or state ID because you need one for just about every normal thing in life... there would be an immense number of things you couldn't do without one, so we already only had a small percentage of people who didn't possess an ID, and many of them were the least likely of people to vote, so even despite the ID being free the documents being free, few have used it in order to get their first ID... actually most are doing it just to get a free drivers license renewal, because we all realized, they don't check your income to see if you can't afford it... but we're all content paying a couple extra hundred thousand dollars to ensure voting is a little more secure... it won't prevent all fraud, but its a heck of a great start...

 

did you ignore the part of the story where the county with the largest minority population, had a 58% voter turnout... which is higher than the 47% average turnout statewide? in fact it was the second highest turnout in milwaukee in just about the same time period... so statistically speaking, the TENS OF THOUSANDS who signed up to vote on voting day, weren't suppressed at all...

P.S. do you even realize how few people in wisconsin don't already have a drivers license or state ID card? its only a couple percent... and that couple percent generally don't vote anyhow... so this isn't about suppression when almost every resident already had the required documentation, and for those who show up without it, guess what, they can STILL vote, but then they are given a week to show back up and present an ID to have their ballot count... so they can still vote and matter... and then take a week to get the required ID, or just go back home and get it since they forgot it... massive turnouts are proof this did NOT do what democrats claimed it would, because democrats were predicting turnout would be LOWER as a result of this voter ID law... and guess what, democrats had a huge increase compared to prior primaries...

stop rejecting the facts and start accepting the truth... I'm sorry all your hyperbole has been debunked and now all you can do is spin and deflect... the results are in... sorry...

 

That is false.

The bush elections had some of the highest voter turnouts in history and he won.

 

When I hear about how hard it is for minorities to get ID , you have to wonder how they buy all that booze ?

 

Since the alternative is having the "right" to present no ID at all, I just don't care. You are disenfranchising yourself if the law is passed and you don't get off your butt and go get an ID. If we all lived in Amish or Indian communities, or Mayberry USA, where everyone knows everything about their neighbors, there is no need for it. But now?

If you just can't get it together enough to follow a simple, non-discriminatory rule, with all the lead time and assistance provided by the government,do you really have any business voting?

 

not just that, but how do they cash checks at walmart, among ALL the other daily needs of an ID for them... this is why I get so mad when people tell me this will prevent voting... most people have recognized ID's that can be used, because they need them for daily life... I guess for booze as you pointed out also heh... the few percent of people who don't have an ID, SHOULD get one, which is why wisconsin made getting it free, as well as the documents required to get it being free... free on top of free...

 

If it was meant to suppress the vote it failed pretty bad.

 

It's about election integrity. Every fraudulent vote, steals a legal vote.

A federal judge smacks down Obama by upholding sweeping North Carolina voter ID laws in a decision handed down late Monday night stating the law served a “legitimate state interest” in its effort to “detect and deter fraud.”
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The plaintiffs “failed to show that such disparities will have materially adverse effects on the ability of minority voters to cast a ballot and effectively exercise the electoral franchise” as a result of the 2013 state law, Schroeder wrote. That argument was made more difficult after black voter turnout increased in 2014, he wrote.

“In North Carolina’s recent history for the last quarter century, there is little official discrimination to consider,”
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ontroversial-north-carolina-voter-id-law.html

North Carolina Governor applaud the ruling as “common sense” and said:
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“Common practices like boarding an airplane and purchasing Sudafed require photo ID and thankfully a federal court has ensured our citizens will have the same protection for their basic right to vote.”
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/federal-judge-upholds-strict-north-carolina-voter-id-law/

 

Hey it's not every day you get to vote for a Reality TV star for Prez.

 

Right. There is no voter fraud. There is right wing voter caging and manipulation though. The only fraud happening in our election cycles today is due to Citizens, the end of the VRA, gerrymandering, terrible ballot designs, unequal access to polling places, ID taxes, closing down offices, making it hard to register, eliminating voters from rolls, making sure felons don't vote, and all the rest of the stuff the last remnants of the once proud White Party is doing in order to stay in power. But Mexicans voting for POTUS? Not a single frigging one has been found anywhere.

 

Out right nonsense on every count. Over two million illegal aliens were found to have voted in 2012...

 

Citizens are the central feature of a Democratic Republic, not the inconvenient feature you make them out to be.

The end of using outdated fifty year old maps. If you wanted them updated, you should have done it while dems controlled all three branches of government, but no, you folks decided you just had to destroy healthcare instead.

Democrat seats are far less efficiently allocated because of incumbent protection that goes back at least through my life time.

Blah Blah Blah

You seem angry and frustrated.

 

Please link us to your proof. Of course, I could quote Posner back to you but I doubt you care to read his decision.

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In other words, you have nothing.

 

Well, I can't suddenly turn you into a genius.

 

It always amazes me how concerned liberals/progressives/socialists become about minorities during an election year.

States provide ID for free, and if the left was truly concerned they would do their best to help minorities obtain ID in non-election years; instead, they use this as an excuse in order to circumvent our voting system. They view the corrupt Chicago as an instructional guideline.

After all, how can leftists round up a busload of bums at the local park and drive them to the polls, promising a pack of cigarettes if they vote as instructed? ID laws really cramp their style...

 

Um ... as your own article points out, the main cause is that the contest is still hotly contested this late in the primary season. Normally a nominee has wrapped things up by now.

Voter ID is not the only thing that affects turnout. The question with Voter ID is whether there are FEWER people turning out than there otherwise WOULD have been.

 

and like you pointed out, MORE people showed up, which would seem to suggest this unproveable notion less people will turn out was debunked...

especially since wisconsin still registered people the day of the election, people had no trouble singing up, they had no trouble going back to get an ID in fact they were't even forced to turn back, they were still allowed to cast a provisional ballot, and they would be able to come a week later and show their ID and have their vote cast that day count... so there is literally no excuse or proof people were disenfranchised or prevented from voting... they could still vote!!!!!! all they had to do was follow up a week later with their ID for that vote to count... so NO EXCUSES... in wisconsin you can register the day of election, you can vote without an ID, but it won't count until you come back and show an ID... don't have an ID no problem, you get a free birth certificate, you get a free social security card, you in fact get a free ID when you get those documents if you didn't have them to begin with... FREE on top of FREE on top of FREE... NO EXCUSES...

 

The Progressive Socialist cries of disenfranchisement is just a Strawman argument with no truth behind it.

 

You misunderstand me. The question is whether fewer people showed up than would have showed up without the Voter ID restrictions.

Given that this is the rare primary where the primary in Wisconsin actually matters, we would expect participation to be substantially higher than in normal years where the nominee is already decided before Wisconsin gets to vote.

But if participation would have gone up 40% without the Voter ID laws, and only went up 30% with the Voter ID laws, then you know that the Voter ID laws suppressed turnout.

You also have to look at how various subgroups were affected. Maybe it didn't hurt middle-class turnout, but heavily decreased minority or poor turnout.

The basic point is you can't just say "more people turned out" and conclude that Voter ID laws aren't suppressing turnout. You have to weigh all the factors that affect turnout, of which Voter ID is only one -- and not necessarily the largest one.

You have no understanding of how such barriers affect real people.

As an example, a Social Security card is not a Photo ID. It can't be used for voting.

Obtaining a birth certificate is not always possible:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...0ee126-0899-11e6-b283-e79d81c63c1b_story.html

And always involves a significant cost in time and money.

The "free" IDs are not actually free. They come with a cost in time and money -- and obtaining the documents required to qualify for the "free" ID also comes with a cost in time and money.

For lower income people, finding the time and transportation to go get a "free" ID can be difficult. If the only reason you're doing it is so you can vote -- because you don't need the ID for anything else -- the cost/benefit analysis doesn't look so great. "Pay the rent, or get an ID card so I can vote." Not much of a question, is there?

 

sure I will provide you at least a few sources showing illegal aliens voting in large numbers in several previous elections. Its an easy google search if you're really interested in the truth. It will be after this idiot savant phone doesn't appear to have copy and paste capacity