POLL: Ban the Burqa?

Then ask her its her body, her tradition and her values. It's not your place to decide what is or is not her insult or an insult to all women. Your opinion has the value of a pile of fresh dog crap in her life. . You are not some savior, you are a bully imposing yourself into a very personal and cultural decision. Its really no different than you telling a woman what her abortion must mean, how she must have been pressured by selfish men to have one. You are acting like her big brother, but she is not asking you to. You are replacing the master you perceive her to have, with yourself and your invasive government agent as her new master.

 

I'm getting worried - I'm beginning to agree with Mr Swedish Guy too often!

 

Again the cultural arrogance and assumptions. We let people who are adults dress themselves. Its just what we do here. You are right that you can't ask every woman why she wears what she wears, but then to give yourself the right to decide for her, is sexist and presumptive. You may say your are against stereotyping nd for individual rights but if you are walking and talking duck talk and walk, you are lying to yourself. You want those individual rights to choose only until you decide those choices are 'anti-social'. I think adults get to be as 'anti-social as they damn well please. If women feel their sense of modesty extends to faces or arms or legs, that is their call. If they feel like 'hiding' from who you think they should not, too bad, soo sad.

 

I am such a big fan of the right to be stupid. That is the essence of our liberty. That you or Swedish guy can only envision two reasons to wear one, suggests a lack of imagination and cultural education. Get thee to some teachers!

 

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Thank you for your reply. I don't trust the media here in the US, or what our government says either, for that matter. To be honest, I've seen amybe two people wearing a burka here in the US and I've been around the US a lot. (that is not to say they don't) This is a topic, at least where I am from, that gets zero attention unless the media brings it up and almost unanimously, gets negative responses.
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How many kinds of naive and uninformed are you? You don't know what you are talking about and only spouting half-baked pc ideology your democratic maters tell you to believe. Your self-righteous opinions are at best, humorous, so cut the crap. This thread is based on opinions and yours is not better than anyone else's. However unconstitutional the idea is, the burka should be banned but in lieu of that, if you want to wear one, go right ahead.

 

No all opinions are not equally good or bad. The wearer's is by far the best. The wearer knows why she wears it. The wearer knows if she is 'coerced' or just modest. The wearer knows what it means to her. The wearer knows if it is worth the sacrifice, to gain the privacy and modesty. You don't know what you are talking about. Your outright ignorant bigotry tells you what you are supposed to believe about these women and their clothing because it suits the bigoted anti- Islam narrative you love. This has nothing to do with 'liberating' women from their own clothing choices. It has everything to do with making this a hostile place to be a Muslim of either gender. You don't fool anyone.

You need to leave people alone to make their own decisions,, whether you like or trust them or not.

 

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Now you set yourself up as a judge for good and bad opinions? Gimme a break. Like I said, you are clueless as to this topic and only speak for yourself.You need some enlightenment;

* Do Muslim women want to wear the Burka (Burqua)?

* Lifting The Veil: Muslim Women Explain Their Choice

* Why I, as a British Muslim woman, want the burkha banned from our streets​

 

And all your propaganda suggests that Muslim women can figure this all out for themselves, and draw their own conclusions without you and your peanut gallery, let alone the strong-arm tactics of your newly deputized anti- Islamic brown shirts. There are fine arguments here for women to choose not to be covered or at least less covered. Let those arguments ring through mosques and homes in Islamic neighborhoods. Don't pass a law usurping the debate, and smarter still, unless you are Muslim, stay out of it.

 

In other words, it's the offspring of a totalitarian ideology (white supremacism, for kkk) and the holy mighty tradition.

Who needs a real life with such parents?

I think you meant to write "anti-Islamic bigotry"...? I'd very much like to know how you reached this conclusion.

The burqa is about erasing any kind of identity. The woman is locked inside just like other properties of the family are locked in a safe.

I didn't ask every Muslim woman what she thinks about burqa. I know enough about girls though. From an early age - as early as two years old - girls are aware of dress codes. Wearing a beautiful dress, or a fashionable outfit, is one of the means to secure for themselves a better position among their peers, a richer and more satisfying social life. The kind of life a burqa wearer can't have. A girl taught to decide for herself would never choose to wear a burqa, at least not in an environment that offers so many other better options.

This is the kind of culture that spawns atrocities like burqas:
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/101east/2015/06/afghanistan-country-women-150630115111987.html

 

You are simply wrong. The vast majority of Muslim women do not wear a Burqa.

 

Most Muslim women don't wear burqas.

Did Tunisia and Turkey ban wearing burqa in public places to make themselves hostile places for Muslims?

 

I don't know about Swedish Guy but I can't think of even one reason the wear a burka. I mean, who wants to spend their entire life living in what is essentially a tent?

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Can you give some figures to substantiate that claim?

 

I don't either; our medias and politicians in France act because of their interest, wich are rarely shared by citizens; I guess it's the same in USA. It's better to vary the sources of information to don't end to hear propaganda...
I used to live near to Lyon, and, few years ago, I saw at least 10 womens wearing such these clothes in the streets of this city, but I wasen't a lot in this city at this time, so, maybe, it was more. Since the Law who forbid burka have been voted, I never saw any one. They now wear religious clothes where we can at least see their faces, it's bit better I guess... But I heard that there's women who continue to wear these clothes in the noth of Marseilles or Paris' suburb. Though, I never went there; so I don't know if it's only rumors or no.

 

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1) Let's see, you refuse to read anything that may contradict your pc democratic rhetoric.

2) You still haven't proved you know a damn thing about this topic of than keep repeating your trite ideology.

You're a hopeless pc ideologue, no better than the far christian right. I will however, continue to try and enlighten you.

Afghan feminists fighting from under the burqa

Syrian women burned a burka after being freed from the Islamic State - btw: Your friends at the ISIS force women to wear burka's under penalty of death. You two should get together.

The Niqab and Burqa represent regressive attitudes towards women, not fashion choice.​

 

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For some people here, it's an ideological struggle.I've seen plenty of Muslim women wearing a hijab and I've no problem with that. I have read some women wear a burka because they love god and want to please him or her, but the key word here is "some". It's not something I spend any time dwelling on.

 

Why. It is common knowledge to people who are not extremely ignorant.

 

From a very very unsure source (one of my friends who was muslim and against these kind of clothes), the Burqa was first wear by the the spouse of a high-placed man; these spouses though that the other people where'nt "good enough" to see their beauty so that they wanted to hide their faces, and this is where the burqa is supposed to come from.
Muslim religion don't told the women to hide their faces. So those who do that do it more to lead to provocation than to please God, in my opinion

 

not really but you do make a point:


http://www.frumsatire.net/2009/02/18/what-do-you-dress-up-as-for-purim/

http://www.northjersey.com/polopoly_fs/1.1539797!/fileImage/httpImage/040716-cl-purimaloha2234.jpg



Purim is a festive holiday where people wear masks and other costumes, not modest attire as these do here.

 

You obviously don't respond to posts that ask you inconvenient questions but will you allow Muslim women to wear winter coats when it's cold?


Or do you like seeing men ripping women's clothes off as they did on the beach in France???


Must women freeze so YOU feel safe?

 

No, but it is mandated by some factions thereof, and I'm not going to tell someone that I know better than them regarding their clothing. The parallels to certain 'Black power' movements is rather highlighted here.

"You're being oppressed!"
"But I'm a healthy, middle-class individual with a successful career."
"Yeah, but you've been indoctrinating into kneeling to the white man/wearing concealing clothing!"

If they want to wear the burqa, they can wear the damn burqa. It is absolutely none of my business what they want to wear so long as it doesn't harm anyone else, and it doesn't. I object to people forcing other people what to wear, but just assuming that all women that wear heavily concealing clothing are brainwashed, and that you automatically know better than them, is insulting in the extreme. They might sunburn easily, or they might be afraid of being raped, or they might just find it liberating that nobody can tell what their facial expression is. You might as well ban Catholic chasubles because they remove all individuality, or cocktail dresses because they cater to the 'patriarchy'. The government does not have a right to dictate my clothing options, or anyone else's.

 

The Orthodox Jewish women I know dress in loose clothing and cover their hair.

 

We have many Abyssinians (Christians) living in this area and their women dress almost exactly the same as do Muslimas. Nobody talks about gender oppression when these women dress that way.

 

Good points.


It is so easy to defeat the right wingers on this forum.

 

The way America is set up is to by in large leave such choices to the states to decide for themselves. Also here in America we allow the free exercise of religion.