Full list of Trump's sexual assaults

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  1. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nine women have accused Trump of sexual assault so far and I've listed their names and stories below. I'll update this as more of Trump's sexual assaults come to light. The very violent attack on his wife is especially horrifying and is indicative of just how dangerous he is.

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    I guess my question becomes, if accusations are enough for "proof" these days, why are liberals not outraged at Bill Clinton for the "proof" against him, and why aren't liberals outraged at Hillary Clinton for the "proof" against her? why do they demand we accept accusations when it opposes their political favor, but when it supports their political favor we should be all over them and tout them as irrefutable and fact... I guess what I am looking for is a little consistency, not just on democrats but republicans too... there seems to be this constant habit to use logic one way than turn it around another way when it comes back to bite us in the ass... so how should this logic go?

    either BOTH candidates are unqualified as a result of the accusations, or BOTH are qualified, but we can't accept one and reject the other if this is our logic...

    so what SHOULD america do on election day if this is our logic, do we all vote libertarian? or do we all write-in candidates this year?

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    I guess my question becomes, if accusations are enough for "proof" these days, why are liberals not outraged at Bill Clinton for the "proof" against him, and why aren't liberals outraged at Hillary Clinton for the "proof" against her? why do they demand we accept accusations when it opposes their political favor, but when it supports their political favor we should be all over them and tout them as irrefutable and fact... I guess what I am looking for is a little consistency, not just on democrats but republicans too... there seems to be this constant habit to use logic one way than turn it around another way when it comes back to bite us in the ass... so how should this logic go?

    either BOTH candidates are unqualified as a result of the accusations, or BOTH are qualified, but we can't accept one and reject the other if this is our logic...

    so what SHOULD america do on election day if this is our logic, do we all vote libertarian? or do we all write-in candidates this year?
     
  3. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let's start from the position that the allegations against both sides are true.

    Allegation against Bill Clinton
    Sure he was a scoundrel in the Oval Office. His behavior demeaned the dignity of the President. He was self-serving and immature. He's not running. I'm not bothering with discussing him anywhere on the forum and don't think his wife should be blamed for his behavior. She was also a victim of his infidelity, as wives usually are.

    Allegations against Trump
    Serious crimes, carried out repeatedly against women. He's a criminal and is unsuitable for most jobs but in particular the Presidency.

    Allegations against Hillary Clinton
    Can we get specific? There have been so many and they're so far afield on this forum I'm not sure where to start. I guess the emails - so what are the most problematic of those?
     
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    So if some woman JUST SAYS that I assaulted her, and there's no witnesses, no other evidence? I'm just guilty and even if I say I DIDN'T it doesn't matter? Woman's word TRUMPS Man's word every time? Pardon the pun. :roflol:
     
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    I wouldn't doubt Trump has acted badly and often illegally around women, hundreds of times. His awful comments about women are well-documented on the Howard Stern interviews. Another one came out today, about his wanting troubled 15-year olds like Lindsay Lohan.
     
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    Late election cycle from questionable sources has little impact. The voting public has seen to much of that kind of nonsense for too long to be impressed.

    Incredible charges against Trump help Trump.
     
  7. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If nine women accuse you of sexual assault, and you brag about committing sexual assaults on audio tape as Trump has, then yeah it's not going to look good for you is it.
     
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    I'm not even talking about Trump, I mean for any man. Men have been put away because of women's lies, myself, I think there should be PROOF, a woman's word by itself, is not proof, and to me the priority is not jailing even a single innocent man, even if it means 1000 guilty ones get away.
     
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    But you honestly don't think someone like Hillary couldn't manufacture 9 women accusers one month before the election? Like the woman on the airplane, was she really on an airplane with Trump 30 years ago? I sat next to Duke basketball coach 'Coach K' on a plane 30 years ago, do you believe me? It's true. What if I said he grabbed my balls? LOL, there's no way to prove I was there, or that he did that, why should I be believed.
     
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    No if 9 women accused me, then OK, it's likely to be true, I'm nobody special, I'm not running for office. But Trump? An organized crime syndicate like the Clintons could easily pull of 9 fake accusations.
     
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    No. Too complicated, too risky and unnecessary. She's going to win the election without this.

    I believe them because they are unrelated people with similar Trump experiences and he's talked about actually doing what they accuse him of.
     
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    October election slander defies proof.

    “Nassau County DA Kathleen Rice issued the following statement on Wednesday evening:

    Moments ago my office moved to dismiss all charges against four men accused of committing a sexual assault on the campus of Hofstra University.

    Late this evening, during the continuation of the Nassau County Police Department's investigation of the allegation, and under questioning by my office's chief trial attorney and chief sex crimes prosecutor, the alleged victim of the sexual assault admitted that the encounter that took place early Sunday morning was consensual.

    Following the interview, my office moved quickly to appear before a night court judge to dismiss all charges and request that the judge order the individuals' immediate release. ” CBC, Nassau DA: Hofstra Student Made Up Gang Rape Story, Sept. 16, 2009.

    Proof comes after the slander has done its damage. Election cycle slander is always an attempt to rig an election.
    The people are getting wise to it.
     
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    He ran and was elected twice and had it not been for the Constitution the Democrats and the left would have elected him again. He remains the darling of the Democrats and the left to this day referring to him as one of the most favorable of all Presidents and politicians.

    So what's good for the goose is what's good for the gander is it not? Please reconcile the praises for Clinton and undying defense of him while at the same time attacking Trump for far less serious offenses and claiming Trump's offenses disqualify him.

    It was the Democrats and the left that repeatedly chastized those who dared criticize President Clinton saying these are private matters and have nothing to do with his serving as President. Reconcile that with their statements today with which apparently you agree.

    Else you have no ground to stand on here.
     
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    Only Trump supporters would call 9 sexual assaults 'less serious offenses'. Only in Trumpworld is this possible.

    I have yet to see anywhere on the forum any Trump supporter condemn his actions.
     
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    One to add, making it 10 so far.

    Kristin Anderson

    Kristin Anderson was deep in conversation with acquaintances at a crowded Manhattan nightspot and did not notice the figure to her right on a red velvet couch — until, she recalls, his fingers slid under her miniskirt, moved up her inner thigh, and touched her vagina through her underwear.

    Anderson shoved the hand away, fled the couch and turned to take her first good look at the man who had touched her, she said.

    She recognized him as Donald Trump: “He was so distinctive looking — with the hair and the eyebrows. I mean, nobody else has those eyebrows.”

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    One more to add, making it 11 so far.

    Summer Zervos

    Summer Zervos, who competed on the television show's (The Apprentice) fifth season in 2006, gave a news conference with celebrity attorney Gloria Allred in Los Angeles, saying Trump tried to get her to lie down on a bed with him when she met him in 2007 to discuss a possible job.

    "He then asked me to sit next to him. I complied. He then grabbed my shoulder and began kissing me again very aggressively and placed his hand on my breast," said Zervos.

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    I'm not a supporter, I will not vote for him, you have been told this repeatedly. If you continue to post such false assertions I will take it higher..........got it?

    He has been accused and if their stories are true they should sue him for a huge settlement. And if he is guilty he should have to pay a HUGE settlement to them.

    Don't you agree?

    But none of that disqualifies one from being President anymore......remember? It didn't disqualify Clinton and we KNOW of the women he assaulted, the women who did not get their earned merit raises and promotions, the grabbing of women's genitalia, inserting cigars into vagina's in the Oval Office on the President of the United States. And of course the felonies he committed to cover it up. So if that did not disqualify him, why does what Trump as only been accused of at this point disqualify him?
     
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    What crime has he been convicted of?
     
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    well I've gotten about a dozen server too busy messages, lets see if anything will go through...

    basically, if you need a list of things Hillary is being accused of, because there are so many you're not sure which ones, you're essentially proving my point... what I am specifically addressing is the logic, behind the claims and words people are using, they are using the strategy that "allegations" are enough to make someone unqualified, but they are ignoring the candidate they are supporting by opposing the other, has just as many nasty "allegations" being lobed against them... so if they are attempting to use this logic that allegations are facts and make someone unqualified, how on earth can they in turn support their own candidate who has numerous allegations as well...

    you see what I am saying? whether the allegations are true or not after the elections, is irrelevant, the logical process being used, invalidates BOTH candidates, people can't pick and choose which candidate the logic applies to, if they are using the logic to demonize and vilify the one candidate, it can be used in kind to the other, which like I said, makes this a complete logic fail... I'm attacking the logic they are using, not the allegations, and if they want to stick with the logic, their own candidate is unqualified...

    so who do we vote for since the logic being used invalidates both, do we vote libertarian, or do we write in someone elses name? but surely we can't vote republican or democrat... (but like we all know, nobody will invalidate their own candidate using the same logic they are applying to the political foe, thats why this country is so screwed)
     
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    Doug, I gotta hand it to you. This is a very ambitious project.
     
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    So taking any election into account the general continuum is from a slightly flawed candidate (based on the understanding that there is no perfect candidate) to a felony criminal. Can we agree on that?

    Now let's talk about this election specifically. I would suggest that Trump is as far to the felony criminal side as one can get short of shooting someone on 5th Avenue. Multiple sexual assaults, at least one of them quite violent, earn him that spot.

    Depending on your perspective Hillary Clinton falls short of that end of the continuum. Quite far short in fact in my opinion. Where she falls on that continuum is what needs to be determined because simply saying that she is imperfect is not enough to disqualify her. There is no perfect candidate.

    So where on the continuum should the line be drawn? Let's start by drawing it short of a serial sexual predator. Let's start by drawing it short of a man who has promised to commit three different war crimes. Let's start by drawing it short of a man who has promised crimes against the Constitution.

    All other candidates have known flaws that put them somewhere in the imperfect range of the continuum. Trump's flaws I would argue are different - they are the extreme.
     
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    see there you go again, attempting to justify and rationalize support for your corrupt candidate by lessening the severity of the crimes "alleged" while holding the other who is merely "alleged" to a higher standard simply because you view the allegations as more serious since you're downplaying the severity of the one you support... THEY BOTH ARE HORRIBLE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD NEVER HAVE MADE IT THIS FAR BUT BECAUSE AMERICANS ARE WILLING TO PUT ASIDE MORALS AND VALUES IN ORDER TO GAIN POLITICAL POWER WE WILL NEVER GET SOMEONE WHO ISN'T A HORRIBLE PERSON... and this stretches across every single race at every single level of government, we excuse the actions of our political parties candidates because we don't want the other guy to get power, its no longer about doing whats right for america, its now about gaining power to use over others... this country no longer represents ALL americans, just 51% of them at a time, and thats disgusting...

    Bernie should have been the candidate for democrats, and I dunno, Kasich I guess should have been the republican candidate from the pools we had? instead, america chose the most offensive candidates in both pools, and please don't try to sell Hillary short and dismiss her actions as trivial moments, people died under her watch, she attacked women who "alleged" her husband raped and assaulted them, she intentionally setup a system to hide her actions after asking others whats the best way to do it... she has blood on her hands in not just allegations, but facts, and so does the other candidate, neither represent american values, and we keep falling for it like you...

    until YOU are as equally outraged Hillary is your candidate, the Trump supporters won't equally be outraged, because its not about quality of candidate, its about power...
     
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    I can't disagree with anything you said, and the bit above is especially true. Above all else nominate ethical and decent people - that should be a minimum expectation.
     
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    Darkbane, I try to avoid the fallacy of the false equivalency, which goes: He's bad, she's bad, therefore, they're both equally bad.

    No. Not in this case. It's more like: She's bad, he's a sociopathic narcissist. It's an entirely different scale.
     
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    Rape and assault have been discarded and ignored by MEN'S LIES.....PEOPLE lie....do you contend that Trump is lying when he brags about sexually assaulting women....or isn't it assault when Donny does it?
     

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