Will they repeal the ACA?

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  1. Wehrwolfen

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    The House has voted 54 times in four years on...
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    Mar 20, 2014 · ... that would have repealed and defunded the law. It passed 235 to ... It passed 269 to 161, cleared the Senate and ... Many of the changes have ...

    Votes during the 112th Congress, from 2011-2012:

    1. Jan. 19, 2011: The "Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act" would have repealed all of the Affordable Care Act. It passed 245 to 189 with three Democrats voting for it, but was never considered by the Senate.

    2. Feb. 19, 2011: The House's version of the fiscal 2011 continuing appropriations bill included several amendments that would have "severely limited" implementation of the law. It passed 221 to 202 with no Democratic votes and was never considered in the Senate.

    The next few votes were on amendments added to the appropriations bill:

    3. The Rehberg Amendment #575: Prohibited funding for any employee, officer, contractor or grantee of any agencies funded under appropriations for the departments of Health and Human Services and Labor to implement provisions of the law.

    4. The King Amendment #267: Ensured that no money included in the appropriations bill would be used to implement the law.

    5. The King Amendment #268: Prohibited funding for the pay of officials who implemented the law.

    6. The Emerson Amendment #83: Prohibited funding by the Internal Revenue Service to implement or enforce provisions of the law related to the reporting of health insurance coverage.

    7. The Price Amendment #409: Prohibited funding for implementing the law's Medical Loss Ratio provision.

    8. The Burgess Amendment #200: Prohibited funding at the Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight.

    9. The Pitts Amendment #430: Prohibited funding for actions "to specify or define, through regulations, guidelines, or otherwise, essential benefits as required" in the law.

    10. The Gardner Amendment #79: Prohibited funding for implementing new exchanges established by the law.

    11. The Hayworth Amendment #567: Prohibited funding for implementing the Independent Patient Advisory Board (the so-called "death panel.")

    *12. March 3, 2011: The House passed the "Comprehensive 1099 Taxpayer Protection and Repayment of Exchange Subsidy Overpayments Act of 2011" that repealed some 1099 reporting requirements "that placed a financial burden on small businesses and independent contractors." Passed 314 to 112, with 76 Democrats supporting the bill.

    13. April 13, 2011: The House voted to repeal the Prevention and Public Health Fund, a key part of the law that Republicans claim is "riddled with wasteful, unaccountable spending." It passed 236 to 183 with four Democrats supporting the proposal.

    *14. April 14, 2011: The defense appropriations bill included provisions that repealed “Free Choice Voucher” program, cut $2.2 billion in funding for the Consumer Operated and Oriented Plan and blocked new money to hire additional IRS agents to enforce the law's "individual mandate." The bill passed the House 260 to 167 with 81 Democrats in support and 59 Republicans opposed.

    15. April 14, 2011: In a resolution, the House directed the Senate to take a vote defunding all mandatory and discretionary spending tied to the law. It was ignored by the Senate.
    House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), whose proposed budgets always include language repealing the Affordable Care Act. (AP) House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), whose proposed budgets always include language repealing the Affordable Care Act. (AP)

    16. April 15, 2011: The House passed its version of the fiscal 2012 budget that would have repealed and defunded the law. It passed 235 to 193 on a party-line vote.

    17. May 3, 2011: House eliminated the ability of the secretary of Health and Human Services "to have an unlimited tap on the U.S. Treasury related to government mandated health insurance exchanges." Passed 238 to 183, with five Democratic "yes" votes.

    18. May 4, 2011: The House voted to repeal a provision of the law that required $200 million to be spent on constructing School-Based Health Centers. Passed 235 to 191.

    19. May 24, 2011: The House voted to convert $230 million in mandatory spending for graduate medical education programs into discretionary spending, which would allow medical schools to receive funding through the regular appropriations process. Passed 234 to 185, with three Democrats in support.

    *20. Aug. 1, 2011: The House passed the "Budget Control Act of 2011" that cut some mandatory and discretionary spending tied to the law. It passed 269 to 161, cleared the Senate and was later signed by Obama.

    21. Oct. 13, 2011: The House passed the "Protect Life Act" that prevented funds in the law, including tax credits, from being used to pay for abortion or abortion coverage. Passed 251 to 172, with 15 supportive Democrats.

    *22. Nov. 16, 2011: The House passed -- and Obama later signed into law -- a measure that required certain benefits to be included in the calculation of modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) for determining eligibility for certain health care programs under the law. Passed 405 to 16, with 170 Democrats voting for it.

    23. Dec. 13, 2011: The House passed the "Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act" that extended the “doc fix” through the law's subsidy recapture and reductions to the Prevention and Public Health Fund, among other things. Passed 234 to 193, with 10 Democrats.

    *24. Dec. 16, 2011: The House approved -- and Obama later signed -- the 2012 consolidated appropriations bill that cut $400 million from the Consumer Operated and Oriented Plan and $10 million from the Independent Payment Advisory Board. The measure also cut IRS funding by $305 million from the previous fiscal year. It passed 411 to 5 -- the "no" votes were from fiscally conservative Republicans.

    25. Feb. 1, 2012: The House voted to repeal the CLASS Act, a long-term care insurance program created by the law, which Republicans believe was "a microcosm for the problems" in the law. Republican lawmakers dismissed the program as a "budget gimmick, insolvent, done behind closed doors" and as a "massive new unsustainable entitlement." Passed 267 to 159 with 28 Democrats on board.

    *26. Feb. 17, 2012: The House passed -- and Obama later signed into law -- the "Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act" that cut $11.6 billion from the law, including $5 billion from the Public Prevention and Health Fund and $2.5 billion in special funding for Louisiana's Medicaid program, which Republicans labeled as a modern-day "Louisiana Purchase." The measure passed 234 to 193, with 10 Democrats in support and 14 Republicans opposed.

    27. March 22, 2012: The House voted to repeal the Independent Payment Advisory Board, which Republicans have labeled the "death panel." It passed 223 to 181, with seven Democrats in support.

    28. March 29, 2012: The House passed its version of the fiscal 2013 budget that included language repealing and defunding the law. It passed 228 to 191 along party lines.

    29. April 27, 2012: The House voted to prevent interest rate increases for certain student loans and sought to offset the costs by repealing the law's Public Prevention and Health Fund. Approved 215 to 195, with 13 Democratic "yes" votes.

    30. May 10, 2012: The House voted to replace automatic defense budget cuts by defunding and repealing parts of the law, including Medicaid Maintenance of Effort (MOE) requirements. The measure passed 218 to 199, with 16 Republican "no" votes.

    31. June 7, 2012: The House voted to repeal the tax on medical devices, limitations on reimbursements for over-the-counter medications from tax-advantaged accounts for health care and other payments tied to new exchanges. It passed 270 to 146, with 37 Democratic "yes" votes.

    *32. June 29, 2012: The House voted on a highway funding bill signed by Obama that made changes to a Medicaid formula that helped Louisiana's Medicaid program and saved $670 million that counted towards the cost of the bill. The measure passed 293 to 127, with 69 Democrats in support.

    33. July 11, 2012: In the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court's decision to uphold most of the law, the House voted once again to repeal the law. Obamacare in its entirety in the wake of the Supreme Court decision to uphold the vast majority of the law. The bill passed 244 to 185, with five Democrats in support.

    34. Dec. 20, 2012: The House voted again to replace discretionary budget cuts enacted as part of sequestration by defunding and repealing several provisions of the law. The measure passed 215 to 209, with 21 Republicans opposed to the spending measure.
    Remember the "fiscal cliff" deal? They'd sure like to forget it. (AP) Remember the "fiscal cliff" deal? They'd sure like to forget it. (AP)

    *35. Jan. 1, 2013: The "fiscal cliff" deal passed the House and included provisions repealing the CLASS Act and rescinding $2.3 billion in unobligated funding for the Consumer Operated and Oriented Plan. The measure passed 256 to 171 with 19 Democrats in support.

    Votes in the 113th Congress, from 2013 to today:

    36. March 21, 2013: The House passed its version of the fiscal 2014 budget that repealed and defunded the law. It passed 221 to 207, with 10 Republicans opposed to the spending measure.

    37. May 16, 2013: The House voted to repeal the entire law. It passed 229 to 195, with just two Democrats voting with Republicans.

    38. July 17, 2013: The House voted to delay by one year the implementation of the law's employer mandate. Passed 264 to 161 -- with 35 Democrats voting "yes."

    39. July 17, 2013: The House voted to delay by one year the implementation of the law's individual mandate. Passed 251 to 174 -- with 22 Democrats voting "yes."

    40. Aug. 2, 2013: The House voted to prevent the IRS from implementing or enforcing any part of the law. Passed 232 to 185, with four Democrats on board.

    41. Sept. 12, 2013: The House voted to prevent fraudulent benefits claims by requiring that an accurate verification system be in place before subsidies are paid out. Passed 235 to 191.

    42. Sept. 20, 2013: As part of the short-term fiscal 2014 continuing resolution, the House voted to fully defund the law by prohibiting discretionary and mandatory spending and rescinding all of its unobligated balances.

    43. Sept. 29, 2013: As part of the fiscal 2014 continuing appropriations bill, the House voted to permanently repeal the tax on medical devices.

    44. Sept. 29, 2013: In another amendment vote to the appropriations bill, the House voted to delay the law for one year.

    45. Sept. 30, 2013: In yet another amendment to the spending bill, the House voted to delay the individual mandate for one year and to require the president, vice president and Cabinet secretaries to join lawmakers and their staffs in buying insurance coverage through exchanges and without access to a taxpayer-funded employer subsidy.

    *46. Oct. 17, 2013: As part of the fiscal 2014 continuing resolution that reopened the federal government, the House voted to require that accurate income verification systems be put in place before the law's exchange subsidies are dispersed. The measure passed 285 to 144 and was later signed by Obama.
    Obama suggested several times that Americans would be able to keep insurance plans if they liked them. (MANDEL NGAN/AFP/Getty Images) Obama suggested several times that Americans would be able to keep insurance plans if they liked them. (MANDEL NGAN/AFP/Getty Images)

    47. Nov. 15, 2013: In response to Obama's previous statements that Americans could keep their health-care plan if they liked it, the House voted to allow Americans to do so without being penalized under the law's individual mandate. The measure passed 261 to 157 with 39 Democrats voting "yes."

    48. Jan. 10, 2014: The House voted to require the government to notify people who's personal information was breached by using HealthCare.gov. The measure passed 291 to 122, with 67 Democrats voting "yes."

    49. Jan. 16, 2014: The House voted to require the Obama administration to provide weekly reporting on "key metrics" to lawmakers and state officials. It passed 259 to 154, with 33 Democrats on board.

    50. March 5, 2014: The House approved the "Simple Fairness Act," which would have delayed implementation of the penalty for failing to comply with the law's individual mandate. The measure passed 250 to 160, with 27 Democrats in support.

    51. March 11, 2014: The House approved the "Protecting Volunteer Firefighters and Emergency Responders Act," which sought to ensure that volunteer firefighters are not counted as employees under the law's "shared responsibility requirements." The measure passed unanimously.

    52. March 11, 2014: The House voted to approve the "Hire More Heroes Act," which would allow employers to exempt any workers with health coverage under TRICARE from being taken into account as part of the law's employer mandate. It passed 406 to 1, with only Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) voting no.

    53. March 12, 2014: The House unanimously approved the "EACH Act," which would provide additional religious exemptions from the law.

    54. March 14, 2014: The House voted to repeal the Medicare sustainable growth rate and make improvements to Medicare payments made to physicians and other medical professionals. It passed 238 to 181 with 12 Democratic "yes" votes.
     
  2. Ted

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    well paying the most in the world for average care was not great. Capitalist incentives to drive down price 80% and add 10-20 years to our life spans would be a nice improvement. Would you like to have your parents for an additional 10-20 years?
     
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    I think the price of insurance will go down if we are allowed to by across state lines. Health care savings accounts would do that too, I think. Part of the reason health care is so expensive is because of insurance. Hospitals like running up bills when there is a remote third party paying the tab.

    I heard of a place in Texas, I think it was Texas, that does surgeries but for cash only. It's popular because they charge a small fraction of what it would cost at other hospitals as the prices have to be more realistic and they don't have to deal with all the bureaucracy.
     
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    Actually, Ted, the issue is why you would say, "Trump said he would do it and so did Congress leadership!! What planet have you been on???" in response to my doubts that it would ever be done.

    But your diversion from your comment is noted.
     
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    Maybe you were fine and I was fine. However, 20 million people were not fine, having no health insurance.

    And that irks me about the "we'll all be fine" rhetoric. That was said after GWB took office. And 3000+ soldiers were not fine, because they died in a war based on lies.

    But has long as you have yours, nobody seems to care. That's the beauty of the social Darwinist philosophy that now takes center stage again in DC.

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    Just watched Donald Trump on 60 minutes.

    He said that there would be no gap between repealing Obamacare and reinstating a new healthcare plan. The transfer would be instantaneous.
     
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    I watched it too. He said he'd repeal it ... or not ... but keep coverage for pre-existing conditions (not possible without the penalty for no insurance). But, it is going to be great, believe me. And who doesn't want better and cheaper.

    And that while they were sitting like royals in their gold plated chairs, thinking hard about the little guy and income inequality (Ivanka). Give me a break..
     
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    I think a lot of those 20 million were young people that didn't need or want insurance, but the bigger problem is now everybody is suffering because of Obamacare. And, according to the guy that designed it, Gruber, it was designed to fail. It was all lies.

    Lies are bad.

    I think you're being too dramatic here, because Trump was just elected 5 days ago and hasn't even gotten into office yet. Why not wait to see what happens before you freak yourself out?
     
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    Because we've all seen it before 16 years ago. it's like an eerie flashback to 2000. His transitional team full with lobbyists, Bush admin people and Heritage foundation people. Plus a serial liar and political hack from a far right wing propaganda and smear site being one of his confidantes. What could possibly go wrong?

    As to 20 million didn't want insurance before ACA? Are you kidding me? Did you not read the papers about bankruptcies at all time highs due to medical emergencies without insurance?

    And, yes, there is a small fraction of seemingly healthy young men who don't want insurance -- until they get into an accident and need it. And then they need to be covered by the rest of us. Those were the proverbial moochers. A lot of them promote the social Darwinism agenda, though, because they haven't realized their own mortality yet. It needs growing up to face one's own mortality. And young men grow up later and later these days (not talking about physically maturing).
     
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    To me it's not so much the type of government, rather the type of people within the government.
     
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    Most American billionaires disagree with you and despise Trump as a cheapskate and vindictive blowhard.

    On another level YOU should be asking yourself how Trump has treated the working man for the past 40 years.
     
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    Certainly is a flaw in the system. I don't see that the republicans are wanting to fix this though being that those same insurance companies are paying for their campaigns. The ACA was a terrible idea, which was pretty obvious being that the insurance companies wrote it. Clearly they're going to stack the odds in their favor, which is why they're consolidating and avoiding the ACA. No one should see being forced to buy goods from a private entity as a good solution to anything. Unfortunately the only real solution (that I've seen anyway) is government provided healthcare, with private healthcare being available for those who want to pay for better service. Healthcare is not voluntary; we don't choose to lose a limb, come down with cancer, have an aneurysm, etc. It doesn't work well on the market since your options are pay or die/suffer, and since you're trapped in that predicament things become grossly expensive, like single items being sold for well over the price of a box of them or hundreds of dollars for a ten minute visit.
     
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    Tell me friend, other than the military (even that is questionable today) can you name one govt run program that has been successful?
    According to opensecrets.org Hillary received the most of all the Presidential Candidates.


    1 Clinton, Hillary (D) $2,226,861

    3 Trump, Donald (R) $459,309
     
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    They got into it because americans were being denied coverage for everything, dying from preventable causes, fat cat ceo's were getting exceedingly rich while the rest of us died on the vine.
     
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    We have workable schools, roads, fire, police, etc. Healthcare should be placed on the same level. It's expensive in nature and not something people can just up and foot the bill for, especially if they get wrecked and cannot work for a time. Government is inefficient I'll give you that, but the healthcare system we have now is overly expensive because it can be. Again it's your money or your life/continuous pain. That's not a real decision, which is why they can charge you until they take everything you have. Since people can and are put in that position we need a better solution. Forcing people to buy bottom tier health insurance isn't it. Either we need to further regulate it to the point of laying down what expenses can be charged (good luck with that) or we need to get a state/federal health care solution that doesn't deal with private health care entities (look at how medicare can't negotiate drug prices to see just how well our government works with private entities).
     
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    Let's also not forget these same people who can't afford it have been denied salary increases by the grotesque charlatans at the top.

    But it's all the poor people's fault!
     
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    My apologies, I should have said federal govt. "We have workable schools, roads, fire, police, etc", these are mainly state and local functions and should be.
     
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    It could be mandated by the federal government and left to the states to implement. The only problem with that is the red states trying do some funky things for religious reasons, which would almost certainly result in a federal system, or at least federal regulations, after some time. Certainly there can be issue with a federal or state health care system, however I don't see having a private healthcare only system as a real solution being that it's outrageously expensive and, as I keep saying, is not a voluntary expense. Healthcare should be viewed as infrastructure, as it is as necessary as roads, schools, fire, police, courts, defense, because it is. Being infrastructure, it should be handled by the government for all, with private options being available for those who want to pay for better service.
     
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    You confuse the millions of folk who are simply getting health welfare with the hundreds of thousands who foot the bill...and the bill is the issue as the mess we have today will destroy itself and take down many more than the 20 million you speak of.
     
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    a social safety net should not cover tens of millions....that is not a safety net but instead simply vote buying

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    I would bet we seen an existing bill within the first week after inauguration...
     
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    You keep forgetting the 'affordable' part of the scheme...why does the left have such an astoundingly ignorance about money. All I can figure is that they are so used to government providing they never wonder where all the loot comes from.
     
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    He's against TPP. He's got that going for him.
     
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    They better, that's one of the things the American people voted for, and one that Trump ran on!!
     

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