Boarders are Imaginary; Illegal Immigration is a Victimless Crime

And also written in our law books.

https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/F...ted_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf

Undocumented presence in the United States is only criminally punishable if it occurs after an
individual was previously formally removed from the United States and then returned without
permission. 8 U.S.C. § 1326

 

But there will still be one.

 

Except you're wrong. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/...aving-us-than-entering-report-finds.html?_r=0

Now accept you're wrong.

 

regardless of what the lawless may "believe", our current law says that we DO have a border with mexico and it is a crime for them to cross it without our written permission. Thus ALL illegals ARE criminals.

 

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

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They weren't victims when the terrorists crossed, no. They were only victims when they were hurt/killed.

 

Stop staking out positions that deserve to be questioned.
If you believe the laws should be enforced, then why should there not be an effort to identify, locate and remove people here beyond their visa?

 

There are here in violation of the law.

 

I guess we're going to do this with you now. No they're not.

https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/F...ted_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf

Undocumented presence in the United States is only criminally punishable if it occurs after an
individual was previously formally removed from the United States and then returned without
permission. 8 U.S.C. § 1326

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Cost vs. benefit. We don't hunt down people who have unpaid parking tickets.

 

This is no way negates the fact their presence here is in violation of the law.

Show that your equivalence is sound.

 

Ah, true. Sorry. I missed your earlier concession where you backed down from "criminal" and replaced it with "in violation of the law". We can both agree that they are violating a law. It's a law of little more importance than a parking ticket violation, but it is a law.

 

Again:
Show that your equivalence is sound.

 

Sorry, giving green cards to previous illegals isn't a solution to the problem, it's smoke and mirrors.

You might want to read this.
http://cis.org/2.5-Million-Join-Illegal-Population-under-Obama

 

Okay... guy still says that it went down, bud.

 

No border, no country, no law. The anarchists dream.

 

Looks like the left agrees with atheiststories
I saw Nacy Pelosi the other day leading her followers in the socialist anthem this land is your land
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/watch-congressional-democrats-sing-this-land-is-your-land/2017/01/30/b5342dd0-e743-11e6-903d-9b11ed7d8d2a_video.html

 

Hey, I did say I was going to try it for a while didn't I?

 

How is he a victim?

 

You suggested that usurping justly acquired property is equivalent to crossing a state border. They are not the same.

In one case, a person is being displaced from property he bought or homesteaded. In the other case, no property is being taken from anyone.

 

Except law abiding citizens. The illegals are taking our jobs and houses that would've otherwise gone to US citizens. They are also using our welfare.

 

Yes. They should be paying their own way.

Unfortunately, we make it illegal for them to do so.

Thus, their status means that employers can take advantage of them, paying them far less, ignoring safety issues, sometimes simply refusing to pay for work done, etc. Citizens can not compete with that.

If they were allowed to work, citizens could compete for jobs on an even footing, and those working could pay their own way.


And, if we need more houses, doesn't that mean more construction work?

 

You can't own a job. If winning a bid for something created a victim, it should be regarded as a crime, but that would criminalize free market enterprise which would be stupid, and wrong since winning a bid for something doesn't create a victim, just a looser.

If receiving welfare creates a victim, it should be regarded as a crime, but then so should taking the money for it in the first place.

 

By that logic if I pay OP $100 a month then I don't have to move off his property that I trespassed on.

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We can however own the right of opportunity which the illegals took.

 

A job is a relationship between one selling labor and one buying it. How can a bunch of people jointly own relationships with a bunch of other people? That looks contrived ad hoc. BTW, everyone owning the same thing is communism.

 

People that think borders are imaginary apparently flunked civics and geography in grade school. Borders are what define a country.