Where Progressives are going with the statue removals

The US has more problems, including violent crime, because we are more multicultural than your country is.

 

My country is 'very' multicultural, according to our politicians. I would submit it's about the same as America .... no more, no less. Our POC aren't very agitate-y. Not organised or angry. They're getting ahead just fine .. alongside and ahead of whitey.

 

What country?

 

There really is no difference between a German and an Austrian. And the Dutch are much closer to Germans than they might enjoy admitting.

 

Can you explain that question to me? Thank you so much.

 

This is why progressives hate religion. They are limited to what they can do and what power they hold. Anything that gets in the way of them being completely in control is evil to them.

 

Of course race was mentioned then. The Japanese were caricatured - & that was one reason they were able to do reconnaissance & mapping & observe military installations & routines @ Pearl Harbor, Philippines, throughout Asia, really. Our military thought that Pearl was invulnerable to airborne torpedo attack, & that the Japanese made poor pilots, & so on. We seriously underestimated the Japanese & their warfighting ability. Before that, the US targeted the Native Peoples in what became the US for removal or extinction. & certainly their race, & lack of our governmental structures, cities, apparent religion & etc. made it easy to caricature them again. & Black slaves, & Native People slaves, & Chinese & Japanese laborers, & Mexican & Italian & Irish - a lot of people took turns being the new kid on the block, & paid in blood & sweat & tears.

So yah, WWII we locked up the Japanese & Japanese-Americans, & some Italians & Italian-Americans, & some Germans & some German-Americans (not nearly as many of the latter two, but some). Our society has become less violent, I think. But mostly it's because most of our people aren't used to dealing firsthand with blood & guts anymore. Relatively few people could butcher a rabbit, let alone a cow. We're fairly squeamish about blood, that's all.

There were the removals of the Native Peoples from east of the Mississippi - a brutal series of campaigns, with lots of deaths among the aged, women & children. There were massive strikes & riots during the organization of labor - coal miners, steelworkers, Pullman railroad, automotive - which involved dynamite, guns, beatings to death & beyond. There were the Civil War draft riots, there were religious upheavals, people barricaded into churches & burned alive. There was the Civil War itself - a long, bloody kind of race riot (even if race was just the precipitate cause) - there was the Mexican American War, the War of 1812, the Texas war of independence, the Spanish American War, plus various campaigns & punishment incursions into the Caribbean, occupation of Haiti, Central American counties, we took over the Panama Canal (& basically Panama itself).

But look up labor history in the US - that alone will make your hair stand on end. That's all history that's pretty much swept under the rug these days, of course. Might be bad for morale & all that, tut tut.

 

After the grief Austria had to endure @ the hands of the Nazis? & on behalf of the Nazis? The Dutch were simply plowed under by the Nazi military, as I recall. But we can throw it open to our membership here. What say you, any German or Austrian or Dutch members. I suspect there's very little love lost between the three - there was a lot of rebuilding to be done in Holland after WWII, & I don't think the demographics of either country ever did entirely recover - there are several generations in each that were sacrificed to the gods of war, famine, disease. That kind of suffering leaves a mark.

In the German urban centers, it was a miracle if any major buildings were left intact. & their population - military & civilian - took horrendous casualties, as the Soviet forces took revenge for the wholesale massacre & rapine of the Nazi forces in the USSR. I don't recall the details of Austria's course during the war & after - it still couldn't have been @ all pleasant.

 

Really. The group that exists to "oppose" fascists "with deeds not words" were defensive once they arrived to suppress the right to free speech.
Tell whoever disseminates your talking points that he needs to at least -try- to make his crap believable.

Meanwhile...
You see no issue with using violence to suppress opinions you do not like from people you do not like.

 

Austria and Germany are next door and speak German. Hitler the Austrian gave them the idea he would restore Austria to prosperity. I think it was part hope and mostly culture of the two nations. The Dutch suffered more. They put up resistance. My comment was their languages are very close to each other. I had drinks in Amsterdam with two ravishing Dutch girls in 1963 and at the same table was a Dutch KLM pilot and when the ladies went to their bath room, he told me he flew from the Schweinfurt airfield that I worked at later. He gave me details of the small airport the Luftwaffe used. They come back and he is at the Men's toilet. They both told me they hated the Germans. I told them he flew for Dutch KLM and they still called him a Nazi.

I never was in 100 percent of Germany but saw much of the West German part. Heidelberg Germany a university city escaped all the bombing. I don't know how many other cities escaped the heavy bombing or artillery shelling. All I can recall without more talk.

 

Completely correct. But I was speaking of what I saw, not what happened all over America and territories.I was a little boy. Started school in WW2.

I never saw a black person until well into my high school years. I took college courses and never saw a black in any of them. I think on the JV football team there was one of them.

I met my first Jap around the 7th grade and they had a floral green house business across the street from my parents home. I got to know the kids around my age a bit. They never at any point said our Government had put them into prisons. I was good pals to some Jap boys during high school yet none of them mentioned being locked up either. I learned they had got locked up around 1978. One who was a college graduate of MIT told me of it when he got back to town. He was surprised I knew nothing of it.

I never saw any of the Japanese lads get mistreated in high school.

 

This one, here

I keep it quiet for professional reasons. It's just your ordinary western democracy with a white majority, strong lefty leanings, and plenty of non-white 'minorities'. We also have an indigenous population.

 

In defense of the little fascists (Progs), I don't think I've ever met one who 'hates' religion. Plenty don't care for it though, to be sure.

 

Well, Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive nationalist, so the progressives that want to remove monuments, must be neo progressive globalists.

 

'dysfunctional misfits' is a better description.

them that can, do. them that can't, protest.

 

could be all the opioids. The elephant fertilizer mixed in with the vegetarian diet maybe.

 

The New York City subway system is facing the need for a major overhaul. Thread such as Governor Cuomo Ignoring Subway Disaster have discussed the problems and the finger pointing going into bringing the system up to snuff. The system in a sense is a victim of its own success. The city is gentrifying. Middle class, upper middle class and wealthy people go out at night and use the subway. The subways need upgrades to handle this new business.

So, in the latest identity politics hysteria anything looking remotely like a Confederate symbol is subject to attack. We're removing statues of Robert E. Lee. Someone notices a tile scheme (picture below) looking a bit like the Confederate battle flag.

So what do we do? Program the removal of the "offensive" tile that had to have been installed a long time ago. And remember, NYC was never in the confederacy. See MTA to Replace Times Square Subway Tiles That Look Like Confederate Flags.

I don't think that historical symbols such as tiling or Robert E. Lee statues are holding back minorities from producing and earning on their merits. The culture of grievance has gone way too far.

I think it's way past time to stop relitigating a war that ended 162 years ago.

The New York City subway system is facing the need for a major overhaul. Many local paper articles have discussed the problems and the finger pointing going into bringing the system up to snuff. The system in a sense is a victim of its own success. The city is gentrifying. Middle class, upper middle class and wealthy people go out at night and use the subway. The subways need upgrades to handle this new business. So, in the latest identity politics hysteria anything looking remotely like a Confederate symbol is subject to attack. We're removing statues of Robert E. Lee. Someone notices a tile scheme (picture below) looking a bit like the Confederate battle flag. So what do we do? Program the removal of the "offensive" tile that had to have been installed a long time ago. And remember, NYC was never in the confederacy. See MTA to Replace Times Square Subway Tiles That Look Like Confederate Flags. I don't think that historical symbols such as tiling or Robert E. Lee statues are holding back minorities from producing and earning on their merits. The culture of grievance has gone way too far. I think it's way past time to stop relitigating a war that ended 162 years ago.

 

bad medicine. yeah, that could be it.

plus the leaching blue hair dye.

 

Have an in depth discussion with one and you will see they hate christianity almost as much as America.

 

You could be right. It makes them feel icky, and they hate feeling icky. Feeling icky is what squares do, and Non-Specific-God knows, wouldn't want your hipster friends suspecting you're square.

 

Most things are subjective. Two centuries ago, you could torture a dog and nobody would care. Today, you might go to prison. People in the past would have thought it absurd to arrest someone for torturing a dog, whereas most people today consider such an act barbaric.

 

Lol. Who hates America? The far right claims to love America while sh*tting on the very principles it was founded on.

 

LOL! You obviously do not know the principles that America was founded on.

 

It's almost like the whole destruction of our shared heritage idea was ginned up as a cynical political ploy by the struggling Democrats?

Say it ain't so!

 

Yup.

They're not as overtly dooshy/militant about it as they used to be, but that's because they have statues to take their infantile aggression out on now.