Media Asks Where Children Are Getting Guns. We Already Know

And thus, you -cannot- support your claim that "over a million guns fall into the hands of children (and criminals) because of the carelessness and negligence of MANY guns owners" with facts.
Since you have no proof to support your statement, I'll thank your for your opinion but I reject it.

 

Yes.
She hates being held to the same standard to which she holds others.

 

A great many individuals attempt to play fast and loose with the truth, citing a methodology of examination that can build support for the position being presented by themselves, but does not stand up to review from outside sources, and cannot demonstrate a repeatable outcome. Empirical analysis is no different in this case, as it cannot account for the human factor.

 

Again, suggests, not proves, rather suggests. As it claiming it is possible, but there is absolutely no definitive proof that would actually support the claim, and demonstrate it is factually correct. There is no evidence that legal firearms ownership contributes to the illegal acquisition of firearms, there is only the untested, unproven hypothesis. There is not even evidence to show that firearms are successfully stolen due to negligence on the part of the legal owners, it is only speculation.

 

Then there is absolutely no evidence to actually back up the claim being made by yourself.

Pray tell exactly how is the fault of the firearms owner in any fashion, rather than the fault of the criminal who actually committed the illegal act and broke into the house to begin with? Explain such. Explain how the victim is at fault, and why they should in any way be blamed, or otherwise held responsible for actions and factors that were beyond their control.

 

You're just repeating your ignorance of basic statistics. You never accept a hypothesis, you reject or fail to reject. You've been informed of this countless times, so no excuse!

 

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Huh? I've already said, there are no stats. If you have some, please show them.

You read but fail to comprehend. When not in use, guns need to be under lock and key. It's clear you don't you know anything about gun safety. Even casually hidden guns can be found. Just ask the multitude of kids who find them. But I digress. 1.4 million guns stolen in five years shows a clear pattern of gun owner negligence.
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And thus, you agree: You have no proof for your assertion.
Thanks for you opinion; absent proof, it is rejected.

 

What defines negligence in your mind?

 

If the house doors and windows are locked, then the gun inside the house is safely under lock and key. No negligence.

 

Meaning the argument that has been presented on the part of yourself is not one that is actually backed up with available evidence.

Such does not even being to address the question that was presented to yourself on the matter. Therefore it will be presented again, and it will continue to be presented until such time that an actual, adequate response is presented.

Pray tell exactly how is the fault of the firearms owner in any fashion, rather than the fault of the criminal who actually committed the illegal act and broke into the house to begin with? Explain such. Explain how the victim is at fault, and why they should in any way be blamed, or otherwise held responsible for actions and factors that were beyond their control.

Pray tell how exactly, when it was stated by yourself that there are absolutely no available statistics to point out how many thefts are due to negligence? How is this supposed clear pattern established by the number of firearms stolen over a period of time, that allows for the claim to actually be made? The premise operates on the assumption that no firearms are ever stolen from law enforcement, federally licensed firearm dealers, from those that are deceased, or even in transit from the manufacturer to the federally licensed dealer.

 

Of course you expected no less. That's because you address the other posters in the thread in a condescending manner. If rolls were reversed you would not have liked me telling you "Allow me to simplify things so hopefully you can understand...". I don't believe I indicated that I didn't understand you. What I said was that I didn't understand your logic.

 

You don't care I get it .... moving on

 

You can engage in disagreement, but why adopt the emotional response to attempt shaming...it will be seen as nothing more that covert name calling from someone that ran out of logical arguement.

 

Another falacious appeal to emotion, masquerading as an effective response.

 

You mean a HUMAN appeal to emotion

 

No, I mean it’s a logical fallicy for use in an arguement and a tactic has been recognized as such for longer than you or I have been alive, an has no standing in any arguement of reason...a tactic you often try to use as well. Anyone of reason dismisses it out of hand.

 

And any human is touched by the gun deaths in Florida.....and everywhere else in this country

 

Sure, and it will spark a new round of calls for gun control by the left wanting to capitalize on chilfres’s deaths before the blood has dried and before we discover how many people ignore the warning signs. But, in reference to my comment;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

Emotion might work with liberals who eschew logic, but not among the majority here.
This tactic is used by many of the LW in attempt to stop a discussion before it starts by trying to gain the moral high ground, a moral high ground that doesn’t exist when used in place of logical arguement, by those incapable of one.​

 

Those who could not shed a tear for the children in Florida are probably afraid it would drop on their gun and cause rust

 

It's a horrible tragedy. No one is saying that it isn't.

 

I don't see a lot of the pro gunners saying that.

 

Stop attacking and engage in a conversation about how tragic it is.

 

I am saying that. Very few are more pro gun than I. I feel it is a great tragedy from every aspect. Starting with the shooter. His life was obviously a tragedy. Why? In America? Are we failing our young people today? As someone mentioned in another thread about the Florida shooting, we have always had guns in America and troubled youth, so why now?

 

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My apologies. After awhile however, one grows wary of people deliberately playing dumb and stupid....or maybe they are, I don't know.
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