Require trigger locks or safes for home with children?

You really think you can punish any parent more than knowing their actions may have resulted in their child’s death? Really?

 

When you demand those rules be applied to the car keys, medicine cabinet, and credit cards, then you will have some credibility.

 

That's a lie. From the CDC Wisqars fatal injury database, in 2016 there were a total of 126 accidental shooting deaths of people between the ages of 0 and 19.

 

I believe 100% he is truthful about his claims concerning those two firearms.

 

I am certain he does or at least did

 

This is what gets me, that they believe that the potential threat of being charged with a crime will be more of a deterrent to a gun owner than the possibility of losing a child. Neither seem to address the "It will never happen to me" mindset that's the problem here.

 

I agree 100% the threat of being charged with a crime will not be more of a deterrent to a gun owner than the possibility of losing a child. That's how dumb these people are. The possibility of your child dying should be the deterrent. But it would give me a little more satisfaction if these dumba55es were punished more. Yeah...might be petty of me...but screw them. Parents are supposed to protect their children and when they don't due to neglect...I say screw them. That's just my opinion.

 

Fair enough. Either way, he still demonstrates an astonishing lack of knowledge regarding real world firearms use.

 

Honestly, in this area at least you and I are in 100% agreement.

Yes, I grew up in a house with firearms in them. But, I was taught from the very beginning how to responsibly coexist with them, and I knew down to my DNA what the consequences would be if I acted in any way inappropriate. Those lessons are important, and parents who choose to have firearms in the house along with their children have a profound responsibility to ensure the safety of their kids.

 

I too grew up in a house with guns. I also knew what the consequences would have been if I ever went anywhere near my dads guns without his permission. Let's just say it wouldn't have been pretty. But my dad always kept his guns locked up in the basement as he didn't have them for protection. He was just into shooting at targets. Which is solely what I'm into. So to me, it's just natural to lock up my gun due to what I learned from my dad.

 

Different worlds, I guess.

My grandfather was a cop, so the guns were around for a very specific purpose - that being personal security and defense - and that mindset and philosophy is what I was raised with; no doubt part of why I pursued law enforcement as a career myself once I was old enough.

 

Where did you get those numbers?

That aside, this whole trigger lock and oppressive desire to keep law abiding citizens from access to their own property in their own home is a recent liberal push. What happened that this became a concern? For over 200 years this wasn't necessary, and people weren't dropping like flies. You need to define the rationale behind this change before you can expect any reasonable person to cave to your despotic demands...

 

still own then, shot both 3 weeks ago

bought a kool laser bore sight for the 22, seems to work nice

 

You have said you own guns on some threads and denied it and denied saying you had on other threads.

 

LOL

how about you give us an example of when I claimed to own ZERO firearms.

 

To answer the thread, of course, logically speaking people with young kids and special needs kids should keep their guns locked up (I know I did, until my kids were old enough to know better (about age 16), and neither of my sons has any kind of mental problems). I'm against having a law for it, because the law is basically unenforceable until there is an incident. It's a useless law for that reason. We shouldn't pass laws for the purpose of making a point. Laws should be enforceable, otherwise disrespect for the law sets in.

 

Your points are valid.
Another additional point I oftentimes raise:
Key phrase;
Unauthorized Persons: ie anyone you do not want handling your firearms, especially Burglars, uninvited Guests, unstable relatives etc....

 

Some years ago, in the state of California, the children of a family were murdered by a home invader. The eldest tried to get access to the firearms the family legally owned to protect their siblings, but the safe they were stored in was locked and as a result they were all murdered. As it turned out, the law in the state of California had an exemption for family members. Specifically the law in question mandated that firearms be stored in a locked safe to prevent access by minors who were not related to the legal owner, but not the children of the owner.

 

No, see DC v Heller

 

that law would last until the first person killed by a criminal that could not get to his gun in time

the parents should be responsible, same as if your child throws rocks and breaks the neighbors windows

 

How about instead of trying to child proof a gun, you gun proof your child?

Educate them about guns.

 

No. Because this:

 

It worked exceptionally well with me. My grandfather was very thorough in his training.

 

Safes and trigger locks are good, and in my eyes necessary if there's kids in the house. But I won't support any legislation mandating them. Because it's a useless law, unless you have a way to enforce it. And how do you enforce a law saying what people should have in their home? Mandatory incursions by law enforcement to see if they store their safes and guns properly?

 

I don’t need a law to define my responsibility to my children... or to teach them to be self sufficient and responsible. Do you?