Manafort lied after pleading guilty, Mueller's team says

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  1. TomFitz

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    Dancing past the facts again!
     
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    Hence avoiding details. Scooter Libby? I assume this has to do with the Iran Contra affair. At least there was something to investigate there. In the Mueller investigation there is no crime being investigated. This has all been cooked up. I can't believe folks are not alarmed by this fact.
     
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    And the poor Republicans while controlling the House, the Senate, the presidency, and the S.C. just couldn't figure out how to prosecute her for her "crimes". Maybe that's because the claims of her "crimes" was nothing more than raving bullshit and they knew it.
     
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    No. It was the investigation into who leaked Valary Plame’s name. It was known very early on that Richard Armitage leaked and there was nothing illegal about the disclosure. The special prosecutor (Fitzgerald) nevertheless continued the investigation and caught Libby who “remembered” that he had heard it from Tim Russert who didn’t remember that.
     
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    Why would you assume that the RP establishment would be any more eager to investigate Deep State corruption than the DP establishment?
    DP/RP is the beast with 2 heads. It despises Trump

    I was not able to listen into Trump's conversations with Sessions. Do you work for NSA? ;-)
     
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    The Obama DOJ spiked the matter years before Trump was elected. And the residual of those corrupt Obama DOJ officials are responsible for the moronic Russian investigation based on the tabloid dossier. Now that Sessions is gone there may yet be indictments involving the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton private server.
     
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    Thanks for the correction. I knew there was a reason for that investigation as for all the investigations I can remember. The Mueller investigation has to be the first investigation without a cause.
     
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    Not ignoring any crimes. What put that into your head?
     
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    I am sure that never occurred to them. The Clintons would never have taken all that Russian money if they had known Canada was not 57th state.
     
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    Fact: 1. Putin bought The Clintons. 2. Russia got Americas uranium. Nothing about the scam was very subtle.

    “Now you have [Russian President] Vladimir Putin owning 20 percent of American uranium – controlling that. And we know that Russia sends uranium to people who are not our friends, to our bitter enemies, including Iran.”

    At the time, Barrasso said, he was assured by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission that the Uranium would not leave the U.S.

    In fact, we do know that uranium has left the United States, has gone overseas, and under the direction of Vladimir Putin.

    Because of the importance of uranium to both national security and energy generation, uranium exports are tightly controlled. On Thursday, though, Barrasso claimed that that Rosatom is moving it out of the country without permission.”
    THE FISCAL TIMES, Did Putin Snag US Uranium and Sell It to Iran?, By Rob Garver, April 24, 2015.
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+fiscal+times+uranium&t=hg&ia=web
     
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    Plame/Wilson were mission driven.

    "Former diplomat Joseph Wilson used to tell reporters he felt certain how his obituary would read. It went: "Joseph C. Wilson IV, who was the last American diplomat to meet with Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, died . . . "

    But "it seems to change," Wilson said yesterday, smiling across his desk in his Washington office. He has kept mentally revising the obituary to keep up with the political maelstrom over Iraq policy and White House leaks that is swirling around him.

    A recent version began: "Joseph C. Wilson IV, the Bush I administration political appointee who did the most damage to the Bush II administration . . "
    THE WASHINGTON POST, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Man Behind the Furor
    Wilson: Envoy With an Independent Streak, By Richard Leiby, Wednesday, October 1, 2003; Page A01.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A25492-2003Sep30?language=printer
     
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    Where in hell do you get that?! LOL!!!!!
     
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    What crime is being investigated ??
     
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    Wrong. The Russians illegally interfered in the electoral process in support of Trump. Lots of Russians have been indicted. The underlying crime is there.

    Did any Americans conspire with them? Let's wait and see. But your premise is incorrect. There clearly was criminal activity.
     
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    We can anticipate a pardon for Manafort. Probably sooner rather than later.

    Trump will appreciate Manafort lying to Mueller to protect him.

    Before he leaves office, we can expect blanket pardons for any prior criminal conduct for his children and Jared. That's a near certainty.

    And we can expect his base will not bat an eyelid about such an abuse of the powers of the office.
     
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    Trump Derangement Syndrome. ^^
     
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    Completely delusional. But that's what illiberals do.
     
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    Again there is no crime. If there was not a bogus fishing expedition there would be perjury trap. There is no abuse of power - only perjury traps for people innocent of any crime.

    What crimes have Jared and Trump's kids committed ??
     
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    What part is delusional? There are dozens of indictments against Russians for interfering in the election. That is a fact.
     
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    If there is no crime, there will be no reason for Trump to issue a pardon, right?

    But I'll bet he will issue one anyway. Because he is worried (or knows) that they have committed crimes. Probably things that he knows, that we don't.

    PS - perjury is a crime.
     
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    Which will never amount to anything and which have nothing to do with Trump. You can indict a ham sandwich but proving that the ham sandwich illegally interfered in an election is quite different.
     
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    These are perjury traps involving mid remembering events which are not crimes. It’s a disgusting tactic used by unethical prosecutors. It’s more disgusting to see our Justice system with it’s limitless resources destroy innocent lives using this immoral process.
     
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    Are you saying the Russians did not illegally interfere with the election? The whole intelligence community says they did. Mueller has indicted Russians for having done so.
    The underlying crime is there.
    Was Trump involved? Who knows. That's what the investigation is about. But make no mistake - the underlying crime is definitely there, whether the Russians show up to be tried or not.
     
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    The fact that the Russian government has never been proven to have illegally interfered with any US election. They have been attempting to influence US elections for decades.

    What underlying crime are you talking about. Facebook advertising ??
     
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