Climate Change: You can deny, but you can't hide.

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  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    I no longer do other people’s homework for them

    I have read the reports

    Don’t you think it wise to look at the source yourself?
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most people are not worried about it. Global climate change transcends humanity; it is not anthropogenic.
    As for your "97% consensus", I find it hard to believe that 3% of scientists believe that the global climate doesn't change at all. The global climate is changing much, much too slowly to be catastrophic. So, I don't see any good reason to believe in anthropogenic-catastrophic-global climate change. Furthermore, the vast majority of people agree with me. We, the vast majority, are not going to do any of the things that eco-doomsayers claim must be done now, and by force of law, or humanity will go extinct. None of it. None. In fact, we're ramping it up.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Show me where I am wrong. If they were really serious, they would do all they can rather try to offset their own CO2.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The IPCC has zero credibility.
    It doesn't really matter though, does it? We're going to call their bluff now after all, aren't we? We aren't going to any of the things they say must be done right now, are we? No, no we're not. In fact, humanity is going to ramp up production. So, if they're predicting eco-doomsday to happen within the next generation or so, we'll see, won't we?
     
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    The rise in sea level is 1ft per 200 years.
     
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    no problem
     
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    If it keeps going at that rate in about seventy thousand centuries, we will lose our last piece of dry land.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's all well and good, but I want to know when I can swoop in and pay pennies on the dollar for beachfront property as woke people sell off ahead of sea level rise.
     
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    Actually most of the world has already working to carbon reduction. The "we" you're referencing doesn't seem to exist. The Western World and much of Asia, including China, are making massive investments in solar and wind power. Hybrid and electric cars are pushing traditional sedan sales out of the showroom. In short, for most of the advanced societies, the global warming train left the station years ago.
     
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    Is it ... ya know ... working? Like, were emissions less last year than the year before that, or the year before that? Or have emissions continued to rise?
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I already have some prime beachfront property you can buy at an exorbitant price. It is still a couple of thousand miles from the ocean now. But in a few thousand years???
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    One envisions the rock-ribbed resistance to the scientific realization of a spherical earth.

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    One can label a herd-minded Republican politician mindlessly parroting other Republican politicians "incest" if ideology so dictates, but Bridenstine's enlightenment is noteworthy, not only as a personal epiphany made possible by his becoming open to scientists who know more about science than the Republican politicians with whom he had previously consorted, but because his is the normal process of enlightenment.

    All but the most incorrigible deniers can come to accept science as they learn, but you won't find anyone abandoning science for the fantasy that climate change is a Chines hoax or some other such crackpot notion.

    Top Republican Rejects Climate Denialism
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...-nuclear-energy-and-natural-gas/#37fa450548da

    Young conservatives urge GOP to take lead on climate change
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/feb/27/cpac-young-conservatives-urge-gop-take-lead-climat/
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When Natty? When matters, Natty. When matters.

    The global climate changes. It always has.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Why am I not surprised that you cannot help but revert to your fantasy point of reference?

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    "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese
    to make U.S. marketing non-competitive!"

    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...nald-trump-did-call-climate-change-chinese-h/
    We, indeed, discovered that the Scarecrow had always possessed wisdom that many had denied.
     
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    When is ecodoomsday? To say that all of this will happen someday, is not actionable information. When matters Natty. When matters.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Amidst the general enlightenment evidenced by local, state, and federal government, the corporate sector, international organizations, academia, the Pentagon, and rational folks everywhere, me thinks the crackpots who fantasize about a vast, inclusive, sinister conspiracy doth protest too much.

    Being told it is not a Chinese hoax must be very upsetting for these denizens of ideological nether regions.

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    It will be an interesting world. Itll be like bioshock!
     
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    Can you please prove that "vast majority" claim?
     
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    Climate science is neither simple nor straightforward. It involves thousands of researchers in dozens of disciplines, from satellite data interpretation to oceanography to geology and helioseismology (the study of the sun's effects). You can't just read a few articles and claim to understand it, and therein lies the problem in trying to educate the populace.

    Since you asked specifically about rising sea levels, this is one of the best, most accurate articles:

    https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2680/new-study-finds-sea-level-rise-accelerating/

    It's from two years ago, but still applicable. As you can see if you read it, we aren't at a panic level but it is quite serious and it has accelerated due to human activity causing water- and land-based glaciers to melt.

    As to your specific question of when:

    https://e360.yale.edu/features/rising_waters_how_fast_and_how_far_will_sea_levels_rise

    "... in 2007: Scientists and the public alike bristled at the lowball estimate of under 60 centimeters (nearly two feet) by 2100, which, the IPCC admitted, did not include the possibility of rapid ice flow from Greenland or the Antarctic into the sea. That was clearly important — those two ice sheets alone hold enough water to raise sea level by 65 meters, compared to 0.4 meters from all the world’s mountain glaciers."

    "In its latest report, released on September 27, the IPCC finally could and did put a number on ice flow from the poles. The result was an estimate of sea level rise of 28 to 98 centimeters (a maximum of more than three feet) by 2100 — more than 50 percent higher than the 2007 projections."

    This is also an excellent source on sea level rise:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise

    Lot's of good graphics, with a comprehensive "See Also" reference section if you want to see studies from other related disciplines.

    I hope that helps.
     
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    Do you have a suggestion for how they should travel between election venues?
     
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    Can you back that up? Are you sure that isn't the number from before the industrial age? I'm thinking you can't. See comment #270.
     
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    See comment #270.
     
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    You could do that, but the smart money is going to the mountains. I'm at about 6,300 feet here. I just bought a place a couple of weeks ago that has already been appraised at $13k over what I just paid for it.

    :D
     
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    Most REPUBLICANS in America are not worried but that is not the majority of humanity

    As for the rest of the blather I suggest that when you get near a fact stop twisting it
     
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