Climate Change: You can deny, but you can't hide.

Your comments are about as appropriate as a drunk teenager at a funeral

 

But climate, like your underwear, does not change by itself

There is always a reason

What is the reason for the current change?

 

You keep asking an unanswerable question. Climate science is not that simple. You can't just slap a date on it. Too many complexies among dozens of scientific disciplines are involved, and the situation is not stable. CO2 and other greenhouse gases are increasing, but the rate of increase fluctuates due to a great many factors. What we DO know is that sea levels will continue to rise, it is already far too late to prevent the glaciers from melting, and some people are already being forced to relocate.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/06/5-places-relocating-people-because-of-climate-change/

And it isn't just affecting the habitats of us humans:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017...e-animals-will-flee-because-of-climate-change

Nearly all of the movement on that map is northward.

I'm not saying we should panic, but this ain't no joke or hoax and we should do whatever can be done, else we, too, could eventually become an endangered species.

 

The earth is rebounding from a long cold spell. Which ended somewhere in the mid 1850s. We know this. The facts demonstrate this. We also know that this temperature band that we are currently enjoying is likely not to be sustainable, and likely it will break and when it does, it will get colder, as the evidence shows that it will. Then what? Will you be ranting about how humanity must find the global mechanisms to stop the cooling, just as now you're fighting to stop the slowly warming temps today?

This is what makes your advocacy so difficult to take seriously. The climate doesn't change by itself, it's being effected by the only thing that can effect it which is the sun and the orbit of the earth, it's axial rotation, and the ability of the atmospheric composition to trap some additional warmth. The sad fact is that unlike how current climate models are holding most all of these variables as static, the truth is that they are not, and never have been. And sadly, it has been the unwillingness of most model makers to address this or it's impact in their calculations because frankly, the number set is so large that their models are unable to address them. This is the issue.

But, as we know, climate does change, it's the reason that NYC is no longer covered in over a mile of ice. I bet the folks who now inhabit that city really appreciate the fact that they aren't perched high up on a shelf of ice. And I suppose that they are super appreciative of the fact that they have food to eat. The moderation of the climate is traceable to the end of that last global event, around 10K years ago. And the prospects of the human condition have improved ever since.

 

We also know the magnetic field is rapidly shifting. This may have a big effect on our climate, ocean currents, etc... However, I don't think anyone has found a way to grab money and power, otherwise we'd hear a lot more about this.

A Shift In Earth’s Magnetic Poles May Hold The Secret To Climate Change

Earth’s magnetic pole is on the move, fast. And we don’t know why

 

The US is still 2 degrees colder than it was from between 1580 and 1695.

This was determined back in the 70's by Louis W. Ziegler and Herbert S. Wolfe in their citrus stock research data collection.

The Spanish were able to grow viable citrus groves all the way up to Jacksonville during this period. Now it would still be a fools errand.

 

Yes it is starting to work and the advances they are making is leaving America behind

 

Unsourced

Why am I not surprised

 

We do???

Do you have a SCIENTIFIC paper about this? You know, a citation that is not to some backyard blog listing the latest conspiracy theories

 

Who is this “we” who “know” this?

No wait let me guess!!

It’s Fox and Friends! No?

Hannity? No?

Rush?


Ooh
Ohh, Ooh! Ooh! I know! Bill O’ Reilly


Do you know what they call a post that waffles on without citations or scientific support

They call it fiction .

Me? I have read the IPCC reports, you know, REAL science?

I suppose we shouldn’t worry after all when Wakanda releases the. Ibranium to the rest of the world alll our problems will be solves /sarcasm

 

A more obvious demonstration of misunderstanding couldn't have been easier to craft. You wrote: "I have read the IPCC reports".. "REAL science"...

Gosh, a more unsupportable thing hasn't been uttered recently on these boards. Clearly, you don't understand what the IPCC is, or what their role is, or what their agenda is, and more, you have to be joking about it being scientific.... Really. If you cannot understand that what the IPCC does is in fact advocate for or broker the massive development funding wealth transfer mechanism of the UN, clearly, you aren't either A) paying attention, or B) purposefully misrepresenting them as if that group was a function of scientific endeavor.

So, which is it? This really isn't that hard, and frankly I'm almost embarrassed for you at this point.

 

University of Florida research is unsourced material?

This was researched in 1973 prior to the Climate Change hoax initiative.

But you evidently look to East Anglia as being legit... I get it.

 

This narrative is being propelled by political science.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamest...-rock-the-global-warming-debate/#6acff1bd27ba

Progressive elite scare tactics...

 

Bicycle if they're sincere about their global warming alarmism.

 

There is always a cause and an explanation. "Reason" implies conscious intention. The only conscious intention with climate change is the conscious intention of anti-fossil-fuel hysteria-mongers to falsify the data.

You mean the rebound from the coldest period in the last 10Ky to more normal Holocene temperatures?

 

Wait, are you denying the climate change that made the period ~1250CE-1850CE the coldest 600 years in the last 10,000 ever happened??? Are you denying that climate change has been cyclical for billions of years? Are you denying that climate has changed cyclically with a period of ~1Ky throughout the Holocene? Are you denying that the factors that caused previous millennium-scale Holocene climate changes could possibly still be operating?

IOW, are you a climate change denier???

 

I don't think they say that the concept of climate change is a hoax nor do they say man's effect on it is a hoax it's the Doomsday theory that they think is a hoax.

I personally think the idea that the only salvation from this doomsday is moronic nonsense like the green New deal, is not really a hoax, but a red herring.

 

Not to rain on your parade, but I believe we are looking at a reduction in CO2 in the US, is mostly due to fracking, which allowed the transition from coal and fuel oil, to natural gas.

 

Exactly. But, if the dooms day cult, which presents that scenario, is challenged, there is no room in their hearts for discussion, so out come the torches and pitch forks.

 

That's why we write them off as a cult. The sad thing is they're doing more damage to the environment by being an unreasonable cult making everyone else hate them and thus their message.

It's like if you walked by these vegan protesters it makes you want to grab a leg of lamb and eat it like a caveman in front of them. Where I wouldn't have eaten one that day. Even better take two bites out of it and throw it away.

 

He's been a member of this message board since 2009, and I'm certain he has engaged in many climate discussions. So.... if he is going to assert that the IPCC is "real science," then I fear there is no hope for him to ever come around.

 

Yes, climate does change, all by natural causes. Solar minimums have an effect on climate, and I really don't think its anthropologic.

 

Yes, the more extreme denialists actually rave about anthropogenic climate change being a Chinese hoax, and other ideologues remain loathe to accept the scientific reality.

Ineluctably, though, local, state, and federal ass-draggers are now joining in realistic efforts by the international community in their acceptance of responsibility.

 

You do understand there are extremists that think the world is flat right? Why would you care about what some Fringe insignificant extreme minority thinks?

That probably the worst thing that could happen. The government is a disaster and they destroy everything they touch. If you care in the least about the environment you should be vehement against this.

 

As well as denying anthropogenic clime change, most likely.

Deranged crackpots, even in minuscule numbers, can cause serious problems for normal folks.

Those who hate our government of, by, and for the People are out there, no doubt.

The irony is that the malcontents who mewl, "Gub'ment kaint do nuthin' right!" seem the most eager to surrender the power to kill citizens in cold blood to the state.

Go figure.