Biden is no socialist

I plan on referring to Joe Biden as a "convict" not a socialist.

 

So I was wondering what this position of yours and others here was and where it came from... And what do you know?

https://m.facebook.com/douglas.rial.has5/posts/3079219402184141

False musings on Facebook, gee who'd have thought.

Here are the facts, not alternative facts, just FACTS;

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-since-eisenhower-without-new-war/6086636002/

I don't really care how this evolved or 'devolved' into all democrats are warmongers.

I won't miss Trump for having done this though;

https://www.peaceaction.org/2017/03...f-engagement-civilian-deaths-are-on-the-rise/

https://news.yahoo.com/afghan-civilian-casualties-air-strikes-152419531.html

 

I don't have Facebook, I added them up myself and Everything I said was correct.

You are making up your own arguments now instead of just admitting I was right.

Why is that so hard for you people?

 

Cool, another real socialist! I've been the only one here for a while now .. good to have company.

 

It's always been voluntary, and freely available. The upshot being that however much socialism you have now, is how much you'll get. VERY few of us are prepared for the realities of 'work to eat'.

 

A UBI is actually ANTI-socialist. It's Capitalist largess, and wholly inequitable.

 

It's a choice now, but I don't see any Progressives and self-declared Socialists taking that option.

 

Absolutely. Who corrupted the term “socialism”? Right wingers who fear more redistribution of Capitalist largess, or right wingers who crave redistribution of Capitalist largess? LOL. Concerted effort?

Your point about few being prepared for realities of socialism can’t be overemphasized.

 

Fantastic post, and I say that as a Socialist. You're absolutely right, on every point.

The good thing is that 99.9% of professed Socialists live as (arch) Capitalists - which tells you we have nothing whatsoever to fear. None of them would last a week under real socialism.

 

Capitalist poseurs corrupted the term. IOW, Progressives.

Right Wingers focus on the political model (which of course they're wise to fear).

 

Neither side is working to stop it, greedy corporatism is killing capitalism

 

Then please...

Educate 'us people'.

 

Boris Johnson and Benjamin Netanyahu are more socialistic than Joe Biden. Hell, Margaret Thatcher was more socialistic than Joe Biden

 

The Establishment international financiers pull the strings of both Red and Blue - folks like Biden are "Selected" not "Elected" and it is no different for Trump ... who is not influenced by Putin - but by the folks who bailed him out .. folks whom he was raised to admire .. as a function of this Social Darwinist upbringing.. or should we call it modern biological determinism .. either way .. Trump is an establishment wonk - through and through - just like Biden.

I was for Red this time because Blue's Environmental Policy is such a disaster .. straw that broke this camels back .. but Blue is also the new Neocon .. not even mouthing anti war platitudes and demonizing those that do .. Anti ACLU .. What's not to dislike about the new Blue ?

 

A cerebral and thoughtful conservative; a first for me here at Political Forum.com.; in fact, Pollycy may be the only such right-winger since William F. Buckley.



How do you do, Pollycy? I am delighted to make your acquaintance, sir.

Oh, there's no need to italicize the word "orthodox," Pollycy, for, politically speaking, that is what I am, specifically a Marxist-DeLeonist. (Daniel DeLeon, 1852-1914, was the founder of the Socialist Labor Party of America.)

"...Capitalism has been the primary society 'tool' that brought mankind out of primitive jungles and caves..."



In actuality, feudalism mostly delivered humankind from jungles and caves or, more to the point, from hunter-gatherer society. But it was it indeed capitalist society that developed the tool and allowed for human societies' organization, thereby insulating human beings from nature's whims.

In following feudal society, capitalist society became the third epoch of human social evolution. Like hunter-gatherer society and feudal society before it, capitalist society was a necessary step in humankind's social development. So the oft-stated "socialists hate capitalism" is without merit. Marx and Engels understood the importance of capitalist society, and they explained it repeatedly.



But they also understood that, in outliving its usefulness to humankind, the capitalist system's propensity for aggregating gargantuan sums of wealth into the hands of the few reduced a significant number of people to begging. So, given that such aggregation is now worse than ever, the capitalist system must soon give way to the next and most logical stage of human social evolution - socialist society.

In light of his longstanding support for privatization, globalization, and other neoliberalism indications, things that FDR would have opposed, I deem Biden to be the neoliberal that he is. (This is not to suggest that FDR was a socialist because he wasn't.)

Yes, sir, capitalist culture has successfully endeavored to condition workers into believing that socialism is something that it is not. It has been so successful that when Bernard Sanders and later AOC claimed to be socialists, most workers readily believed them. And why would they not have? Through television, radio, books, newspapers, magazines, the internet, textbooks, schools, churches, service organizations, the military, etc., capitalist culture is practically omnipresent. Its ability to indoctrinate is second to nothing else in human history. And it is impossible for us few and severely financially disadvantaged socialists to present a counter-narrative.

Nor does it help that the former Soviet Union, China, Cuba, and many other nominal socialist societies have passed themselves off as something they are not.



"In religion and politics, we Americans tend to 'grow our own.'" --Pollycy



I like that a lot.

First of all, and with all due respect, bureaucratic government ownership of industry is descriptive of nationalism rather than socialism. Industrial government or self-government would be illustrative of a socialist society. (Although this is by no means a blueprint, a socialist government would look something like this: www.slp.org/pdf/statements/siu_chart.pdf .)



With that said, yes, social welfare programs, such as SNAP and, say, AFDC are anything but socialist. Nor are the Social Security and Medicare programs indications of socialism. They are symptomatic of the system of legalized theft that the capitalist system is predicated upon. Throughout their working lives, workers are robbed of the lion's share of the wealth they produce, thereby necessitating the likes of Social "Security." If workers enjoyed the totality of the economic wealth they produce, as they would under socialism ( www.slp.org/pdf/statements/siu_chart.pdf ), there would be no need for the Social Security program. Workers would have plenty of money with which to finance their retirements themselves.

Though there are far more unproductive members of the capitalist class than the working class, I think that Biden will use the money spent on the pandemic as an excuse to bring forth austerity measures that will further erode this society's social safety net. However, he will pay lip service to the dire need to expand said safety net.



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Again, Pollycy, it was delightful to make your acquaintance. I thank you for your intelligent, measured, and well-written response. And I'm looking forward to engaging you in the future. Be well, sir.



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He's right.

Biden's record clearly shows him to be everything the OP said.

Maybe you were spending too much time in King's Cross to be paying attention to the meanderings and history of a US politician? I wouldn't blame you a bit!

 

Well, not quite... He is most certainly not a socialist.... He is a senile corrupt old fart who has no idea who he is most of the time and will say, do and sign whatever his more and more socialist/progressive party tells he to say, do and sign.

Isn't that why you socialists voted for this old, racist capitalist warmonger in the first place? He is the left's favorite puppet, is he not?

 

Went to the above link - and found some disturbing content.

Indigenous Communities Resist “Line 3” Pipeline

"The pipeline corporation Enbridge is facing serious Indigenous opposition to its “Line 3” project bringing tarsands from Alberta, Canada, to Wisconsin, cutting through Minnesota. Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, despite claiming to oppose fossil fuel expansion, approved the Line 3 permits prompting hundreds to show up outside his mansion to denounce his actions". https://freespeech.org/stories/indigenous-communities-resist-line-3-pipeline/

This is a prime example of Environmental ignorance on display. Not building this pipeline will increase the carbon equation - and have a big increase on overall environmental pollution - particularly ocean pollution - increase industrialization - increase overall pollution - and transfer our pollution problems to other nations - something the New Green Deal - states we will not do.

 

I have not cast a vote in favor of a Democratic candidate since 1984. So I did not vote for Joseph Biden. Nor do I know of a single comrade of mine who voted for Biden. I'm sure that at least a small number of socialists voted for him, but I do not know of any who did.


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I see. Will you please unpack that statement a bit, Giftedone?

Thank you, sir or madam.

 

My Pleasure.

If we don't build Line 3 - getting oil from Canada (or domestic pipeline such as North Dakota Access) - that means we have to get it from somewhere else.

We currently import roughly 45% of oil to our refineries from some 70 different nations - so rather than from Canada - by Pipeline - we will get that oil from Nigeria by Tanker.

The CO2 Equation does not change from a utilization perspective - you will not drive less because the gas in your car was made from Nigerian Crude.

From an overall pollution perspective - Canada via Pipeline - is way way way more enviro friendly than Nigeria by Tanker.

All too often these enviro groups talk only CO2 - and ignore Ocean Pollution. They also ignore the main factor contributing to both CO2 and Ocean Pollution which is industrialization. You take someone eating a bowl of rice a day in Africa - and bring them to a first world nation - their consumption increases by 36 - 36 times more consumption and byproducts of that consumption.

I read a study a decade ago - China was at (11) at the time - African rice eater (1) - first world (36) - said if China was to reach first world level of consumption - world resource production would have to double.

This is because - at that time - there were 1.4 Billion industrialized out of 7 Billion. When you do the math on industrialization - it is a very grim picture - especially when combined with population growth. These are two things Michael Moore pointed out in his latest flick - for which he was demonized by the extreme left - that and exposing the Biofuel false narrative.

 

Biden is a socialist if you pay him enough.

 

Technically since Joe Biden was bought and paid for by the government of Communist China, I think that makes him at least an honorary Marxist.

 

What does it matter? Neither is incorrect.

 

Tanker spills do not contaminate drinking water the way pipe failures do.