Body camera videos show 13-year-old Adam Toledo put hands up before fatal police shooting in Chicago

The kid was what we'd traditionally call an "accomplice". He was to a shooting what a getaway driver is to a bank robbery. The idea that Roman is the only piece of **** in this story is laughable. The kid was a criminal helping his fellow criminals hide evidence of their crimes.

 

ANOTHER SHOOTING, ANOTHER FAKE NARRATIVE: A Recipe for More Tragedy. The media’s rush to judgment on the Adam Toledo shooting in Chicago will come with a high cost. Rafael Mangual’s frame-by-frame analysis of the video footage shows what’s wrong with the story being spun by the media and politicians.

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A disturbing video (released just five days ago) depicts the murder of New Mexico State Police Officer Darian Jarrott. It shows just how quickly a suspect’s hands can go from empty to armed.

I think we all need to keep open minds as the evidence and testimony gathering continues.

And shame on CBS and the others that are so reckless and inflammatory in their rhetoric. A sampling:

Slate: “Video Shows Chicago Police Shoot 13-Year-Old Adam Toledo With His Hands Up”

BuzzFeed News: “Video Shows 13-Year-Old Adam Toledo Had His Hands Up When A Police Officer Fatally Shot Him”

NBC 5 Chicago: “Attorney: Adam Toledo Did Not Have Gun In His Hand When He Was Shot By Chicago Police”

Mic: “13-year-old Adam Toledo put his hands up. Chicago police killed him anyway”

USA Today: “‘We failed Adam’: Body camera videos show 13-year-old Adam Toledo put hands up before fatal police shooting in Chicago” (the quote belongs to Chicago mayor Lori Lightfoot)

The Associated Press: “Video: Chicago boy wasn’t holding gun when shot by officer”

The Hill, a piece entitled “Lawmakers demand justice for Adam Toledo: ‘His hands were up. He was unarmed’” quotes, among many other Democratic lawmakers, California congresswoman Karen Bass, who tweeted, “Adam Toledo was 13 years old. Those responsible for taking the rest of his life away from him must be held accountable.”

A local community organizer told an audience on Democracy Now! that “There is no other way to describe what we saw in the video, as a cold-blooded murder.”

During a press conference, the attorney representing Toledo’s family said, “If you’re shooting an unarmed child with his hands in the air, it is an assassination.”

The Los Angeles Times quoted “neighbors” in Little Village, where the shooting took place, who referred to the shooting as “an execution.”

New York City mayoral hopeful Andrew Yang distilled the relevant facts to just three: “He was 13. He was unarmed. His hands were up.”

Law professor Paul Butler asked, on MSNBC, “Where is the bottom?”—suggesting that this shooting was clearly wrong. Butler went on to note that the officer fired his weapon “within 20 seconds of leaving his car.”

MSNBC’s Joy Reid said of the police in this case, “They didn’t wait ten seconds before opening up on him like it was a drive-by.”

It takes a lot less than ten seconds for an armed suspect to shoot a police officer.

We all should know by now that such inflammatory comments have become par for the course from the propagandist narrative building media that views itself as the propaganda arm of the Democrat Party. Close analysis of the available video evidence shows that these claims are quite detached from reality.[/quote]

 

"Y ándele...." (Doesn't really translate into English)

 

Does using English Spanish slang.

"And up"

Or "also higher"

 

the video clearly showed an armed moron who surrendered too late.

 

this juvenile was no different than a child soldier.

it was justified and lawful government force.

 

CBS Posts Cropped Video of Adam Toledo Shooting on Twitter, Leaving Gun Out of Frame.

A clip of the police shooting of Adam Toledo shared by CBS on Twitter on Thursday was cropped eliminating footage which shows Toledo holding a handgun.

“Time-lapse photo shows that that officer had eight-tenths of a second to determine if that weapon was still in Toledo’s hand or not, period. There’s no way a rational person can say they can process that and their muscle reaction would be less than one second.”

 

What are you talking about? You're implying that they previously reported that the kid was unarmed, and then the police department released the footage. In actuality, the police department released the video first, and then CBS reported on it. CBS literally got their footage from the department's video, and at no point during that time did they fail to acknowledge that he was previously armed. In fact, in the very same link you just provided they acknowledge that he was previously armed.

From what we can tell from the video, the officer was chasing the kid for less than 10 seconds. If you want to argue he didn't comply for those few seconds, that's not an inaccurate claim, but the kid did comply with the officer after that, and did not delay at all when the officer commanded him to show his hands.

Quite literally the officer commanded him to stop, and he stopped. Then the officer commanded him to show his hands, and the kid showed him his hands. Then the cop ordered him to drop his weapon, but the kid had already thrown away the weapon (and out of reach) right when he stopped running

Nope, he threw the weapon away before he turned around. The moment he threw the weapon was recorded from two different cameras from two different angles. The kid threw away the weapon with his right hand, and then turned around to his left to face the officer.

Nope, the weapon was not loaded



and again.. he threw the weapon away before he turned around to face the officer's direction.

Yep

Nope, you can see this moment from two separate angles, what actually happens is the kid raised his left hand first, as he was throwing away the weapon with his right hand (he threw the weapon in a side arm/underhand motion). There's also a still photo of this moment






Oh what do you know... it's the same photo you posted earlier, he raised his left hand first. He then raises his right hand to show the officer both of his hands.. he did this immediately after the officer commanded him to do so, and without delay. both hands were in the air at around head level the moment he was shot. He never made a shooting motion like you described

Agreed, but given what we know so far, it is apparent that this kid was killed as he was surrendering to the police

 

I'm sorry, but if a possible gang member is recruiting kids and using them as his pasty, it's not the kids who are the piece of ****. Also, what 13 year old kid in that situation would have the balls to say no to the adult who was just shooting at someone? I definitely cannot say with any level of confidence that the guy would not have harmed the boy, can you?

 

One ther point:
There is no evidence that any cars were fired at. Seems quite odd that no car driver reported being shot at AFAIK given that it's easy to hit a car and the driver would know about it. Those reported shots could have been at tin cans?

Secondly those saying the boy is responsible, at what age is their cut off point, seven years old? That boy was effectively being groomed in the same way as a pedophile grooms their victims

 

You are correct, the official report is that he fired at an unknown target. However, it is not outlandish to believe the adult who fired the weapon was a gang member firing at a rival gang member. If that were the case, I would not expect the individual who was fired at to report the incident to the police. It also isn't uncommon for gang members to recruit kids and take advantage of them. It is quite similar to how human traffickers groom kids, and it would appear that the adult individual was attempting to use the kid as his patsy.

There's certainly a lot to speculate, but what isn't up for speculation is this, the adult is seen on camera firing the gun, but when the police arrived the kid had the gun. The kid had no criminal record, and there isn't any evidence of him acting violently or firing a weapon at any point during this incident.

 

It was a heroic police officer pursuing an armed and dangerous suspect who was forced to kill him in self defence, it is the fault of the perp and the thug who gave him the gun.

 

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Uh... besides the kid who else was shot?

And if nobody then why was the kid even being CHASED? Who was even being threatened? Was he dragging along a hostage? Were there lots of bystanders? Was he about to invade a home and start shooting people with the gun he had just thrown away? What?

Why not just let him go?

This is bullshit. The police chased down and killed a 13-year-old for no good reason I can see and all this commentary and "analysis" shows me is just that

 

Irrespective of ALL those 'sidebar' speculations and/or armchair-analyses about who may have belonged to a gang, or who fired a weapon at a car, or not, etc., what the police actually confronted -- in a potentially very dangerous situation -- at 2:30 AM, was two perps who were roaming around the streets and thought to be firing gun(s).

Now, at least one of the perps has a gun, runs down an alleyway, and hides his 'gun-arm' behind a section of fence. With the police on foot-pursuit, he turns, moves his arms, and in the DARK, with very poor lighting conditions at best, the cop can't tell what the hell the perp's doing! Split-second decision to shoot? Yes, no question about it -- THAT officer made the right decision.

As far as the hyperliberal "news" media cropping videos goes -- well -- who would be surprised at that? Those creeps have been manipulating the news heavily to promote their own propaganda initiatives for well over the past twenty years....

 

In the Norteño dialect spoken in Northern Mexico and by Mexicans in the U. S., the term, "Y ándele" means something like, "Yeah, so, get over it and get ON with it...." Not exactly, though... there's a touch of despairing ennui about it, too, which just doesn't really translate into English. I've always kind of preferred, "Aw, well, to hell with it... what's next?"

In German, it might translate somewhat into, "Es ist mir vollkommen egal...." or "Spielte keine rolle."

"Y ándele" is also a song you'll find on YouTube, sung by Linda Ronstadt, and, Adriana Bottina... both of which are very interesting, kind of sad, and beautiful.

 

He had fired a weapon. The report was a weapon being fired, he had a gun in his hand and he refused the lawful orders of the police and fled with the gun in his hand and attempted to hide that from view and then he turned towards the police officer from a position the officer could not see that hand.

He caused his own death.

 

On the ONE video the other guy is shooting, so what? They were together, they both had powder residue, Toledo had a gun in his hand when he fled from a felony arrest. Then attempting to hide the fact he was tossing the gun he then turned towards the police as his arm was coming up. The officers do not have to wait to be fired at in order to defend themselves.

 

Pretty cut and dried isn't it.

Where are the protest against the parents? Where are the protest against the gang who turned him into a criminal?

 

If he was hiding it how come you can see it on the officer's cam?

 

I've read that the perp had gunpowder residue on at least one hand. So, yes, it is evident that he fired a gun.

And that fact that the pistol that was found where the perp threw it was 'empty' doesn't mean SQUAT. He or that other creep (or both) had fired the weapon already, and could easily have had more magazine clips loaded and ready to insert into the pistol.

These hyperliberal rationalizations about this situation would simply be amusing if it weren't that it's all so tragic. When society lets these creeps roam around like this, why should society be surprised when they act like criminal beasts...? Check out the criminal behavior statistics for Chicago in ANY given week -- it's all so in-your-face obvious!

 

nothing in your post is correct. The suspect was unarmed and complying with the orders of the officer at the time he was shot.

 

Oh, rahl... really? The perp had the pistol, flung it aside behind the fence where he hoped the police wouldn't find it, and then brought his arms forward in a way that a police officer -- who had already been led on a running chase by the perp -- thought in the split-second he had to make a decision, was threatening. Bang! One less up-and-coming gang-banger in Chicago. Case closed....

Consider: the perp had gunpowder residue on at least one of his hands! If he was so innocent, how did THAT get there...?

 

He wasn't very good at doing so while running away and he was stupid to believe he had done so.

 

He wasn't running away at the time the video frame showed he had a gun in his hand. Why are you still making things up?

 

Its much easier to blame the cops and ignore the cultural degradation that leads to such circumstances by the left.