Body camera videos show 13-year-old Adam Toledo put hands up before fatal police shooting in Chicago

The problem is that the teenager was in that situation in the first place. The shooter didn't just grab some random passerby teen and force him to take the gun. The teenager was there with the shooter for that express purpose. This is a well-known gang tactic - to stash guns on women and minors before and after crimes. The teen was helping commit a crime. He was an accomplice.

 

Is this the criteria now before cops shooting somebody? Somebody else has to be shot first?

Ridiculous.

Everybody in that neighborhood with people violating gun laws, firing weapons at cars.

Shooting a gun in densely populated area at cars. Yes. Yes, people were being threatened.

Is this a serious question? If so, I am just going to put you on ignore. I have no patience for this level of incompetence.

Yes. Every single line of your response is BS.

It takes an astounding amount of ignorance to respond back with this post.

 

TWO stories in the news today about children getting shot and killed because of this urban violence, where are the protest and violence against it? And don't even try to arrest the people who did it, as an officer it seems you are more likely to go to jail for lawfully doing so.

 

He was wearing the gang tattoo. Why aren't the people of this community marching on the gangs, going down to the police to tell them where they are and helping them catch them and get rid of them instead of the "don't snitch" mentality.

 

toledo wearing gang tattoo?

 

There's no "cut off point". There's a continuum. As children grow into juveniles and then adulthood, they gain increasing amounts of freedom to make decisions on their own and increasing responsibility for the consequences of those decisions. In this case, there's plenty of blame to go around. Certainly Toledo has some, as does Roman. Toledo's parents should probably face some child neglect / endangerment charges for letting Toledo join a gang and run around with its members at 3:00 am. I'm more than happy to lay some of the blame at the feet of Mayor Lightfoot. If in all of that, you want to assign some of the blame to the cop for not having perfect vision and reaction time to realize that the hand that had a second earlier been holding a gun no longer did as he raised it, ehhh, I'm ok with that too.

 

False.

Source: https://abc7.com/adam-toledo-shooting-video-chicago-police-13-year-old-shot/10522605/

 

I've already seen this. "According to prosecutors". Where is this evidence? Did the cameras pick up the gun shots at the same time as the gun was pointed at cars

 

And you just did.

Yes, please do put me on ignore. I might say what I really think of your responses and get infracted.

Some people would probably shoot people in this neighborhood dead for throwing fruit. After all, they're just....

Same way with COVID, after all, **** 'em, they're old

Republicans apparently have an astonishing lack of respect for human life, well except for their own, of course

 

If you've been a parent, you know that sometimes teenagers just go array. I had a friend whose parents and siblings all were gang bangers and drug dealers/users. But he was not. He managed to escape that. Can't always assume it's the parents fault. Statistics show black youth come from one parent homes (mothers).

 

The family made a statement:

Sure, they all look after each other, that must be why he was out with a fellow gangbanger shooting at cars at 3:00 am on a Monday.

 

You can see the video of the pair shooting at a passing car right here:

https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news...-his-hands-when-cpd-officer-fatally-shot-him/

At this point, there's really not much room for reasonably doubt that Roman, with Toledo hanging out alongside him, shot at a passing car.

 

I can't open that link (different country). Was he pointing or shooting with sound recorded?

 

yes, we have numerous videos showing this.

He did no such thing. He raised his hands in compliance with the officers commands.

well, no. The officer is going to face charges, and the city a wrongful death suit, and rightfully so.

irrelevant. You can't shoot an unarmed and complying suspect.

 

I don't see anything that wouldn't support their statement. Again, some kids just get mixed up with drugs and the wrong people no matter what parents and grandparents, church youth groups and others try to do. The fact is that he was out doing bad things at 3 am and had a weapon. The officer doesn't know he threw the gun down. More facts will come out but the officer did nothing wrong.

 

That is not accurate, the police report, as well as the video footage shows it was the adult who fired the weapon, and not the kid. Also, the officer gave him three commands, he told him to stop, he told him to show his hands and drop his weapon. The kid complied with all three commands

Yes, residue from holding the gun, however we also know that the gun didn't have any bullets in it when the kid was seen with the weapon. There is nothing from the police report or the video evidence to suggest that the kid fired the weapon. It should also be noted that the 21 year old had residue on his gloves.. though I find it very interesting that you just spent consecutive posts inaccurately emphasizing on the kid firing the gun, but now you are suggesting it isn't important.

From what we can see from two separate cameras, the officer chased the kid for approximately 10 seconds before the kid surrendered and threw away the weapon. At the moment he was shot, the kid was unarmed, his hands were in the air at around head level, and the weapon was completely out of his reach. He showed his hands immediately after the officer commanded him to do so

 

That's like calling a child prostitute an accomplice for human trafficking.

 

Only if Roman had kidnapped Toledo, which doesn't appear to be the case. He was there voluntarily. He voluntarily took the gun from Roman. He tried to hide evidence of Roman's crime. That's an accomplice.

 

The video clips (remember, there was more than one view) do indeed make it clear that the perp had the pistol and pitched it behind him into the opening in the fence behind him.

But, yes, you're right, the policeman will be dragged through five miles of sh¡t, have his life ruined, and the perp's 'tribe' will get handed millions of dollars, much like the other criminals and prep's 'survivors' of other situations where police had to use force. Cowards prefer this method of riot-prevention... just write 'em a check!

You on the Left almost always support the perps and criminals, while we on the Right almost always support the police and "Law and Order".

 

Yes, as I said. He was unarmed and complying when he was shot.

As he should. It’s inexcusable to shoot an unarmed suspect who is complying with your commands. It’s at best manslaughter and more accurately murder 2.

I am not on the left. I come from a long line of LEO members of the family. I’m an avid supporter of police officers. I’m also an avid supporter of constitutional rights. You can’t shoot and kill someone who is unarmed, not a threat to you and complying with your orders.

 

So unless the child is kidnapped, they're an accomplice? If that were accurate, we would have a lot more children charged as accomplices than we do

 

No, your analogy to a child prostitute and human trafficking would only be relevant if Toledo had been kidnapped. He wasn't kidnapped though. Toledo was there willingly, participating in the crimes of Roman, as an accomplice to those crimes.

 

Human trafficking victims aren't necessarily kidnapped either, in fact human trafficking victims being kidnapped is relatively rare given the higher risk for the traffickers getting caught. Usually child prostitutes, child soldiers, and children who are targets of gang activity are groomed into their position by an adult who takes advantage of them. In this this particular case, the child appears to have been used as a scapegoat for the adult gunman. The adult gunman himself wore gloves when he fired the weapon, and a nearby shot tracker detected that all 8 shots of the weapon were fired in the location that the gunman was caught on camera, and every loose bullet casing was found in that exact location as well.

In other words, the kid did not participate in the shooting, but was used as a patsy for the gunman. The gunman himself wore gloves when he fired the weapon, and then passed the unloaded weapon down to the child who was not wearing gloves. Which is a common tactic of gang members who target kids.

 

Isn't that pretty much what I said back in post #201?

 

but once again, calling the kid an accomplice for being one of said child targets is like calling a child prostitutes an accomplice for human trafficking (and no most human trafficking victims are not kidnapped). They're clearly taking advantage of the child by trying to frame them as the gunman. Fortunately we have the video evidence and the shot tracker to confirm the kid was not the gunman