Thank a liberal

Dude it's also utter nonsense. The downward trend in on the job injuries began decades before OSHA was passed. It did so because it made good economic sense to create a safer work place environment. It's expensive as hell to keep having to train replacements. If you create a chart beginning in 1900 and ending in 2000 showing on the job injuries and deaths you can't even tell when you will discover a point at which deaths continue to decline but injuries essentially flatten and begin to track more with current employment numbers than anything else.

 

Another outstanding post! You sir are leftwing bullshit data destroyer

Well done, amazing post!!!

 

All that information left you quite speechless didn't it Might as well have gone with a large version of the leftist go to uh-huh!

 

The left, they sure love the cut&paste parrot posts, right.. Odd how the cut&paste'rs get the trophy for someone else's opinion, work and platform I guess that would explain the the success of the MSNBCNN propaganda networks

 

Nah leftist default position is always THAT'S RACIST...

 

Sue doesn't live in California, the land of poverty and pollution. Also, Sue in not a name in CA, its a verb!


Try stepping outside for a bite of clean air here!

 

Not in the least.

 

Then he wouldn't be greedy would he.

 

Instead of a one liner, try proving post 13 wrong, bet you cant. I know you cant.

 

Good luck with that one FB, for we know there is no way in hell anyone can prove that post #13 is wrong in any way.

 

He laid it out, didn't he? Yet to see one prog. prove any of it wrong.

 

Regulations establish the rules of the game and assure important protections for working people. Corporations and wealthy special interests have demonstrated that—if there’s nothing stopping them—they will do what they can to squeeze out more profits for themselves, even if it means jeopardizing workers’ health and safety and retirement funds. The Great Recession is proof that it is dangerous to assume that corporations and Wall Street will police themselves. American workers deserve a fair system—with rules that serve their interests as opposed to deregulating to rig the system so that corporate interests can rake in ever-larger profits at the expense of workers. The Trump administration and congressional Republicans have spent an enormous amount of time and political capital in their first year in control doing exactly that—by painting regulations as the “problem.” It is time to end this deception and return to defending the rules that protect workers, consumers, and public health.

https://www.epi.org/publication/deregulation-year-in-review/

 

Nice "everyone but the rich" should be paid more, rant.....You attempted to address one point, then said "orange man bad" because he helped employers and employees.

 

My gut reaction is to go forward with it, due to jobs, but if it poses environmental hazards, and will become less important in time when it is completed due to the burgeoning green sector , in other words, perhaps the wise thing to do is to put it on hold until it is studied.

Jobs are important, but the environment is more important. I don't know enough about it, to give you an answer. The post is given in general terms, there are always going to be exceptions, and 'what abouts' etc.

 

I wish I could have taken credit for it, MJ, but it is in italics because that's a way of quoting on this forum that won't be excluded when others quote you again. Thing is that piece has been floating around the internet for a number of years, anonymously, and I posted it again here, as a reminder to right wingers because of their incessant red baiting, which never ends.

 

That alone was'nt the reason for the crash.

Repubs in congress during Clinton conned Clinton into signing the Commodity Futures Modernization Act which deregulated Derivatives. Remember all that crazy **** about 'credit default swaps' to the tune of trillions? On top of that packaging risky loans as mortgaged back securities, hedged by those credit defualt swaps for which, when all of the sudden investors wanted to turn them in to protect their losses, the money wasn't there, and financial institutions which sold them, could not honor them, were on the verge of folding, institutions so huge that if they failed, they would take America down with them, led to TARP, and they being bailed out by the American taxpayer. All of which exist owing to the CFMA..
All of this built up during Bush, the signs were there, and Bush did nothing to prevent it from happening, but Bush ( and Clinton, to a lesser extent ) are neoliberals. The market could have probably withstood and absorbed the excesses of the greedy behavior and the liberal loans but the CFMA allowed them to take it to a level that pushed America to the precipice, so it is Neoliberalism, in general, NOT liberalism, driving the bus which caused the crash of 2008. Make no mistake about it.

 

What did he specifically do?

 

Lol ... yeah, I knew that, Pat.

Reminded me of a meme that circulated years ago that pointed out of the hypocrisy of some right-wing jackass who claimed that he built his business by himself...

 

Being honest I don't know much about the so-called environment hazards associated with the Pipeline, but I hadn't heard of anything that had actually given enough reason to close it down completely. I think the spotted owl is safe. Its the workers and their families that concern me the most. You're a smart guy, you don't really think there are going to be readily available good paying solar jobs just waiting to hire these laid off workers any time soon. These jobs were their livelihood and many were getting paid $40 or 50 an hour. I doubt they'll get that with solar, if they get one at all.

 

Ford was never a conservative. Where do you get these silly ideas.

 

Most who talk of classical liberalism tend to be rather ignorant on the subject. For instance John Locke is often referred to as the father of liberalism. But Locke was an Enlightenment philosopher. Liberalism, as a political identity, didn’t come about until a century after his death. The whole idea of classical liberalism is kind of absurd when one thinks about it. If liberals, if liberalism was to remain forever the same, it would not be liberalism. Liberalism is advancing the human condition. If liberals were the same as liberals were 200 years ago, they would not be liberals, they would be conservatives.

 

No he didn’t. He just made up excuses to deny reality. Like his pollution map. More people live in cities than in rural areas. More industry is in cities than in rural areas. What is he proving, that liberals are more productive and that cities more popular than the middle of nowhere? He claims that adequate pay and benefits come about by private corporations. But that is not the case. It is just ignorant of the labor movement over the past hundred years. And he finishes off with another of those conservative fables, that it really was not lil Bush and his hair rained ideas that crashed the economy, but rather, in typical Republican fashion, blames it on everyone else.

 

You know I can never take you serious. I used to never put people on ignore but I have come to the conclusion that some posters are just too toxic, too outside of polite society to ever have a rational conversation with. Your hate filled comments, void of verifiable facts is a toxicity that I would rather not have to be subjected to. So, as far as I am concerned, and the forum offers me the option, you no longer exist.

 

Where you aware that both capitalism and liberalism began with Adam Smith. In his book Wealth of Nations he argues for a liberal society in order for capitalism to thrive.

 

This is pretty much spot on. When I was a kid, probably because I heard about it all the time, I use to fear Russian style propaganda, even though I always thought it a bit too cheesy to take seriously. I used to think that the Russian people only followed it out of fear of punishments or death if they did not. But in the US, it is still cheesy, but it isn’t fear of government reprisal that locks them in, it is fear of liberals, that locks them in. Not real liberals, mind you, but the pretended ones. How can a liberal ever have done anything good for anyone? It is not possible in the Republican ideology.

From the beginning of the country, it was expected that we the people, over time would create a more perfect union. The United States is a work in progress, and it always will be until we reach perfection, which probably isn’t possible. That so many conservatives are willing to lay all the credit for their well being at the feet of the benevolence of the captains of industry, finance, and commerce is quite telling, in several different ways.