Portland sees Antifa descend on Christian worship event, clash with Proud Boys in streets

Actually they were in uniforms that identified them. That they weren't was a lie. Regardless, even if they weren't "marked" so what? Tons of federal officers are not visibly "marked".

In any case, that was not what her "stormtrooper" comment was about. It was about Trump sending federal agents to the Portland Federal Courthouse to help protect it. LINK: American 'Stormtroopers' -- A Bright Shining Lie | RealClearPolitics

I have never said that as a group either one of those groups are not legal. They have every Right to step up and make their voices heard. What they don't have a Right to is violence. And I've seen far more violence from ANTIFA over the past decade than I have from the KKK. I've seen Harris support a group which specifically said that they were just going to bail out "protestors"... "Protestors" is what many rioters were called all through last year. I've seen Ted Wheeler from Portland side with ANTIFA/BLM even though his city was being burned every night for months. It was only after Biden was President that he started to condemn the riots. I've seen both the left and right media condemn the KKK, while only the leftist media called ANTIFA/BLM riots "mostly peaceful protests".

The two sections of quotes here are at odds with each other. Tell me, when was the last time that the KKK gathered and rioted nightly for months on end? Which KKK organization took over whole blocks of cities and made them "autonomous zones" and would not allow police in?

Btw, ANTIFA isn't new. They've been around since the Obama Administration.

 

I think their stated "mission" is just a smoke screen. They are the militia for the Leftists. They just thought they would pick a name that people could not be against. They are the only fascists I've seen in a long time.

 

It is kind of the thing about conservatives, listening to what they listen to. The malinformation and all. For the past several years liberal cities have been repeatedly attacked by violent right-wing gangs such as the Proud Boys and the Patriot Prayer. The anti-fascists are those citizens from the neighborhood who are sick and tired of violent right-wing gangs wreaking havoc in their cities. The police don’t stop them as many officers have strong affinities for the fascists.

When this first hit the Conservadome, about two dozen members of the Patriot Prayer held a rally. A supposed free speech rally. But this was soon after one of their members had killed two men who had objected to him yelling racist insults at a couple of dark skinned women. When the Patriot Prayer arrived, there were thousands of citizens drowning them out with chants such as “Hate, not in our town”. Eventually some of the Patriot Prayer, after spraying bear spray at their detractors got into a scuffle. The only thing the right ring media showed was the anarchists fighting back against the Patriot Prayer, as if that was all it was. Poor little innocent conservative Christian Nationalists just trying to exercise their rights to free speech. Yet, I have yet to understand how yelling insults and spraying bear spray constitutes free speech.

In the run up to the coup attempt on the national Capital, they had a dry run on the Oregon Capital, yet failed because the state police were quickly called in to stop them before it got very far.

The anti fascists are a defensive group, defending against the authoritarian thuggery that has become the Republican Party. The anti fascists only exist because there are fascists.

 

Who do you think the anti fascist are fighting? The air? According to the FBI the greatest domestic threat is violent right wing gangs, many with ties to police departments around the country. The anti fascist comes out to counter protest, to stand up to fascists.

 

And just who in that Federal Courthouse in Portland was a fascist?

Was it perhaps Chief United States District Judge Marco A. Hernández appointed by Obama? LINK: Marco A. Hernandez - Wikipedia
Or maybe Senior United States District Judge Anna J. Brown who was appointed by Bill Clinton? LINK: Anna J. Brown - Wikipedia
Or maybe United States District Judge Ann Aiken who was also appointed by Bill Clinton? LINK: Ann Aiken - Wikipedia
Or maybe United States District Judge Karin J. Immergut who was appointed by Ted Kulongoski the former Democratic Governor of Oregon? Karin Immergut - Wikipedia
Or maybe United States District Judge Michael H. Simon who was appointed by Obama? LINK: Michael H. Simon - Wikipedia

Who in that Federal Courthouse that they were trying to burn down was a fascist? Perhaps one of the other people working there? LINK: Our Judges (uscourts.gov)

Tell me, when was the last time that the KKK gathered and rioted nightly for months on end? Both you and the FBI can make any claim you want. But personally, I see far more violence coming from leftists than I do from those on the far right.

 

I suppose they're technically the militia, as much as anyone else. Antifa is really more of a gang...

 

They are NOT, "at odds," they are just not both, specifically about the KKK. The two quotes you took from me, are from separate paragraphs, making different points (I guess you are actually contrasting the 1st & 3rd quotations).

1)DEFinning said: ↑
As to ANTIFA and Neo-Nazis: as you know, these groups are legal, as is the KKK. So those calling for a complete outlawing of this leftist group, have a GREAT burden of proof, which they have, IMO, far from satisfied. It is only when any of these groups actually gets involved w/ illegal activity, that law enforcement has the right to step in.
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I mention the KKK, there for both name recognition, as well as to allude to their very long history, during which they WERE involved in many illegal "terrorist," acts, from cross-burning to lynching, AND WERE NEVER OUTLAWED. That was my point. If ANTIFA or any group are involved with Illegal
activity, I know of no one saying that the culpable parties should not be prosecuted. But in the early posts of this thread:
A) posters were calling ANTIFA a terrorist organization (not an organization in which there are members who have engaged in criminal acts). The difference is significant because, declaring an entire group, "terrorist," would outlaw it, which seemed to be the tenor of the discussion, at that point. And
B) posters were trying to closely-tie ANTIFA with the Left, generally (therefore, by the transitive principle, suggesting that the entire Left is no better than terrorists and criminals).

DEFinning said: ↑
I know of no evidence to support the contention that these government agencies are ignoring ANTIFA criminaI behavior; in fact, I find that contention ludicrous.

DEFinning said: ↑
While I do not know how many members are in the seemingly very new to the American scene, ANTIFA-- as you, no doubt, are aware, it is the opinion of our FBI, & Department of Homeland Security, that, with no contest, it is from terrorist/violent groups, ON THE RIGHT, that the greatest risks to our safety is posed. If you have different evidence, I encourage you to share it, both for your argument and, more importantly, with the appropriate federal intelligence, & law enforcement agencies
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That assessment of the U.S. Intelligence Services, was made, publicly, so I don't know how you can question my including it. It should be obvious-- if this was the source of your misunderstanding-- that the KKK is no longer the one big kid, on the block. There are many other groups, on the right, that concern law enforcement agencies, especially national ones, like the Dept. of Homeland Security and the FBI, to a greater degree than does ANTIFA. But that does not equate to law enforcement's ignoring of ANTIFA. We, who aren't in one of these govt. agencies, do not hear of most of those radical groups' activities (though you did hear about the plot to kidnap a governor, right?) But if you are disputing the professionals' assessment, that White Nationalist groups are far more of a threat to national security than ANTIFA (or even foreign, extremist groups), then I was asking about your basis for thinking so.

Again, where is the contradiction?

 

thwy are pretty smart. A group of fascist pretending to be anti fascist because of their name
Very smart

 

Yes, I was using the KKK and Antifa as a contrast. But you can put in any group in place of either the KKK or Antifa. Just each representing far right or far left.

But here is the difference between far left groups and far right groups. There are actually far less far left groups than there are far right. You could tick off the number of far left groups probably on one, maybe two, hands, and none of them have a true leader. However far right groups generally consist of 3 to at most 100 people and they all have clear leaders. The only real exceptions to this is the KKK and Stormfront (numbers wise that is). I would bet that overall there are the same amount of people in both overall groups, far left vs far right.

The other difference is that the vast majority of far right groups don't actually do anything. Like I asked previously, when was the last time that the KKK gathered and rioted nightly for months on end? Or any far right group for that matter. Currently with Antifa there is an attack by them almost daily. (the latest one was them attacking a group of Christians in a park in Portland, yesterday) Can you say the same with far right groups?

Now, I get that the FBI etc has claimed that far right groups are the greatest risk right now. But frankly I have to question that. Because I don't see far right groups attacking people daily. I don't see far right groups causing riots for months on end. I don't see far right groups setting up autonomous zones in the middle of cities denying access to police. But I have seen all of those from far left groups. Yeah, the FBI etc may have info that I don't have. But I can't go off of info that I don't have. I can only go by what info I do have. Just like anyone else. I'm not going to simply take their word for it. Especially when what I am seeing for myself is contrary to their statement.

 

Hard to say who got more supporters. In general you can say that far right wingers usually which goes hand in hand with racism get fired when identified and that probably has an impact on their gatherings.

Actually almost all BLM rallies went peaceful by an amazing 93%. Their rallies are rather massive, and there are always people who are oppertune enough to riot for the sake of rioting no matter what kind of protest goes on and end up with a new tv etc.

https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/

While most far right groups do not shun violence. There is a keen adoration for guns in that group. They like to bring it all along to simply intimidate everybody and show strength.

There is no need to question. They simply cause more terrorist threats. A simple google search would show you the way. And that is not even taking in your random white nationalists into account who make their daily racist threating verbal ways to minorities that often enough cause a fight.

 

From the OP article here, I think they're fighting Christians praying at the waterfront, and children.