BBC Presenter killed by Vaccine

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Trump has blood on his hands for the damage he enabled with Operation Warp Speed.

    That he was booed by his crowd in Cullman AL last month for advocating more shots shows it.
     
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    That is absolutely untrue. Trump does NOT care what people think and he has NEVER done anything for any purpose except to enrich himself by exploiting others and that is the ONLY way "generosity" works in his world - ONLY FOR HIM.

    And, it's not only a complete lie, it's a double-standard because Biden is being called out for saying "I was told not to take questions" with you people claiming he's not really running the show. But, all of sudden, in your fantasy historical revisionism Trump was taking orders from somebody else?

    Get the lies straight, THEN tell them.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I don't think so. Someone in Trump's position was trapped between a rock and a hard place, politically speaking. If he completely catered to conservatives in all his public comments, then the media would take that and try to use it against him, convincing people that he was irresponsible, stupid, and advocating bad policy (whether or not that was actually true).

    I think a lot of the public is just stupid not to realize this. Politicians often have to say things they do not actually believe. This was especially the case with Trump, probably more so than the situation of any other politician in the past. Trump also developed a strategy at one point of trying to play the media and corner them into an embarrassing situation. He would start by seeming to take one position, then knowing the media would quickly latch onto that and heavily criticize him for it, he would then publicly change his position, which would then embarrass the media and make them look inconsistent and hypocritical when they started to criticize him for the total opposite policies of what they had criticized him for before.
    Overall, Trump had to keep a middle of the road strategy on most issues. He knew the media would heavily criticize him no matter what direction he took, so by trying to stay in the middle and take a moderate approach, he made criticism more difficult and reduced the level of criticism that media could launch against any policy.

    Regardless of what Trump actually personally thought on the issue, a policy like Operation Warp Speed was necessary to neutralize criticism that he was not doing anything to solve problem.

    You people need to realize that this was more about the media, public perception, and an upcoming election than necessarily an actual reflection of Trump's beliefs.
     
  4. MJ Davies

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    You don't have to. That's the beauty of individuality and freedom of speech.
    Every President represents (half the people that didn't vote for them) our whole country so they ALL are between a rock and hard place. Why does he get so many apologists?
    Trump doesn't need the media to make him look bad. He is horrible and the camera just records it.
    That's uncalled for.
    No, they don't. There is another option. Say nothing. When one is caught in a lie it's impossible NOT to question the validity of everything they say after that lie. Trump is a pathological liar.
    If I believed in god, I would be screaming "Lord, have mercy please." right now. Trump is delusional and paranoid. Nobody is singling him for any reason other than his sheer stupidity and ineptitude to do the job for which he was hired.
    Spoiler alert: None of that is true.

    Trump isn't smart enough to strategize ideas. He wouldn't even read his morning briefs (they are BRIEF for a reason). He has little to no impulse control and he blurts out stuff he's not supposed to blurt out.

    A thousand people have to work behind the scenes to constantly make calls, write press releases, back pedal because he is incapable of acting like a professional.
    Trump is useless but tell me more about this fantasy in which you think he strategized anything beyond his next meal.
    No. Trump was a private business owner who retained high priced attorneys. He's not a self-made millionaire and has had many, many failed projects. He thought he could run the WH the way he ran his businesses - steam rolling people into silence acquiescence.

    That's not how government operates. There are hundreds, thousands of people behind the scenes to make sure there are "checks and balances" and he didn't like that. Firing people on a dime and berating journalists is not leadership. It's bullying and revolving door staff is NOT a good look for a POTUS.
    I think it's adorable the way you think Trump actually thinks. I would be kind of embarrassed to say that if I was on his team. It looks worse to say somebody thought about something and still said something obnoxiously stupid. At least a blurt out isn't pre-planned.
    Trump didn't do anything to LEAD us through the pandemic. Nobody made that up. He announced he doesn't take any responsibility. That statement is not the least bit ambiguous.
    To date!...Trump hasn't acknowledged the hundreds of thousands of people that died of COVID on his watch. Nobody needs to be a detective to understand what that means. He set up the Afghani people and our military by unleashing 5,000 psychopaths.

    Spoiler alert: Everything he gets near gets jacked up. He's nothing but chaos and destruction.
    You probably shouldn't have used "you people" but I'll pass on that for now.

    Trump was our President. He was hired to do a job and that job entailed being honest with us, reassuring us that he had things under control, that he was aware that people were struggling and help would be available and model the behaviors and recommendations as put out by our CDC to show that he walked in unison with them for the good of all of us.

    What does he do? He has a gazillion rallies inviting his supporters to gather around to hear him blather on about what garbage he goes on about. He mocked Biden for wearing a mask at their debate. He withheld the stimulus checks solely for the purpose of them printing his name on them. Why none of that screams selfish, narcissistic @ss is unclear to me.

    And, he doesn't get a pass on "being concerned what the media or Democrats would say." Guess what. Leaders have to make tough calls and they need to stand behind them if they think they are right. I don't care that Pelosi called him whatever the heck she said. Xenophobic I think and he back downed on the travel bans. He has a big mouth about every other thing, why didn't he tell her where to stick her opinion? And the most revolting part is that AT THE TIME he did that, only he and Woodward knew how contagious the virus was. He knew that while praising Xi and still backed down. I have no problem giving credit where it's due and I would have stood behind his decision to do that.

    If a person holding the highest position in the WORLD runs home crying because some jerks at G7 were gossiping about him, backing down because the Speaker of the House said something or the media might say something bad...there's a serious problem.

    How confident do you expect "us people" to feel when our POTUS is acting like a spoiled child? He is not the least bit professional, polished, well-spoken, intelligent, reliable, strategic, wise, caring, honest, decent or respectable. Damn. Is it asking to much for our leader to have at least one those?
     
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    Hopefully, doctors will be able to figure out the common thread - apparently the vaccine is supposed to stay localized in the deltoid muscle when given. In some cases, it does not, and travels via the circulatory system and lands in organs, where it teaches the cells there to make the spike protein, which damages those organs. Horrible. We're all familiar with vaccines, but mRNA vaccines are relatively new beasts. There's just not enough data yet, I'm afraid, and what data is out there has likely been politicized.
     
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    It's age related (and it's clots, FTR). I personally would never give AZ to anyone under 50. The younger you are when you get it, the more dangerous it is.
     
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    No. This is a reaction that can't be predicted based on general health or history. It's primarily associated with a higher level of immune response, in fact.

    And claiming it's 'extremely' rare is a marketing tool. It's not extremely rare, it's just rare.
     
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    Source for this? You seem to be talking about COVID deaths instead of COVID vaccine deaths.
     
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    It's the specific kind of thrombotic syndrome associated with the Astra Zeneca vaccine. It's essentially triggered by an inflammatory response, which in turn is an overreaction of the immune system. The 'weaker' your immune system, the less likely you will be to have that response - which is why this particular vaccine is not recommended for people under 60 - though as mentioned, I wouldn't risk it in anyone under 50. People over 60 have much less risk of developing syndrome, since their immune function is fairly muted by that age. The older you are when you have AZ, the safer it is. The younger you are, the more dangerous it is.

    Giving it to people under 30 is very risky, IMO .. and since large cohorts in that age range haven't yet been given this vaccine, it remains to be seen how that will play out. In the UK (who primarily use AZ), the under 30's are only just starting to be vaccinated in number. I really hope it doesn't go badly for them.
     
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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    That has got to be the finest EXAMPLE of a complete ABSENCE of any SMIDGEON of actual KNOWLEDGE as to how vaccines FUNCTION and how such appalling IGNORANCE ends up spreading ABSURD conspiracy drivel.

    Priceless!

    :roflol:
     
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    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/americas-frontline-doctors/

    A more ACCURATE name for them would be America’s Frontline Quacks.

    :roflol:
     
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    :applause:
     
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    Trump became a politician only in about 2016. Prior to that he was a businessman with highly questionable ethics.

    He has been caught between a rock and a hard place many times in his life, and rarely does he do the right thing, rarely does he stand for principle.

    An honest and brave man in his position would have called the bluff of the perpetrators of this scam. Donald went along with the perps, and that was proved again in Cullman Alabama last month when he urged the crowd to all get injected. They booed him. Did he learn the lesson? Not likely.
     
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    That's just like you to malign the honest players in this scamdemic. You malign the truth tellers, those honoring the Hippocratic Oath.

    And of course you do that because somebody describing themselves as fact checkers tells you so. You're typical DT, very ordinary, a good sheep in the herd. :applause:
     
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    You are WALLOWING in the SEWER of puerile ad homs in VIOLATION of PF Rules because you CANNOT defend the conspiracy NONSENSE that you BELIEVE without even any ATTEMPT at critical scrutiny.

    Sad!

    :roflol:
     
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    I don't want to dance on anyone's grave, whether it's someone who died from the vaccine or some conservative talk show hosts who have died unvaccinated.

    We need more data, science, and understanding on what makes a person prone to dying from the vaccine. My understanding is that the vaccine is supposed to stay localized in the deltoid muscle where you get the shot, but in rare cases the vaccine gets into the blood stream and travels through to organs - livers, kidneys, hearts, ovaries, etc., where it "teaches" the cells there to make the spike protein, which then destroys or damages the organ.

    We need a way to tell whether someone is at risk of this is happening before they get the stab.
     
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    REGURGITATING previously debunked DISINFORMATION? :eek:

    NOWHERE is there anything that supports your BOGUS "understanding" that the vaccines is "supposed to stay localized in the deltoid muscle where you get the shot".

    Sad!

    :roflol:
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Or, we could spend half the money or less we've spent on the clot shots, and place great emphasis on nutrition, informing the masses how a strong immune system can defeat the phantom virus, just as it defeats the flu for most people.

    Should the government subsidize good nutrition? High Vitamin D levels? Vitamin C and Zinc? Would that work, or would it cut pharma out of its profits and mad scientists?
     
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    Unfortunately, some people cannot take it. But these are very few.

    Life is a gamble. Some die from Covid, others from vaccinations. But the chance of dying from vaccination is much lower. Almost everyone here in Germany who is in intensive care with Covid is unvaccinated.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, would you like to share a link to some actual data on that?
    Or would that be too difficult for you to do?

    You don't have to post it in this thread. Just make a link in this thread to your post.
     
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    And censoring adds from McDonald's, Coke, processed food suppliers, ad infinitum. All those companies that got passed the FDA which poison the people slowly for a chunk of the market.

    Promote companies that are interested in the health and well being of their consumers. Maybe go a bit further and provide athletics equipment and sports complexes affordable and available to everyone. A healthy, whole food rich diet available to everyone and their children. Provide incentives within this realm. Throw in functional mental health structures and career/life planning and consulting to everyone without bleeding your wallets. Releasing concerning topics such as a worldwide pestilence in methods that promote understanding, transparency and hope, rather than fear mongering and stress. A court structure that helps you protect your rights and freedoms without destroying bank accounts.

    We could tackle physical and mental health which I remember hearing somewhere are main factors in determining longevity of life. I wonder how many lives might be saved and prolonged? This culture of society would probably save a covid life or 2, no? A heart disease life or 2? Sounds expensive tho huh..... Ah, the value of life. It's just not worth it is it? Oh well, $20 bucks a jab is pretty cheap. It just makes cent$ from an economic standpoint, am I right? Plus, a cheeseburger and a Coke is cheap as well, and tasty. Happy politicians, happy monkey. Let's just hope we don't end up like this presenter (Its a small chance tho right? See you in 6-8 months for yet another chance to play!).
     
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    I have to write something on topic in order to say what I want to say, so I agree with whatever you're talking about to whomever you are answering.

    P.S. What in the world is with your addiction to that guy? Spit it out. Come on. You can do it. ;-)
     
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    Probably less likely than being hit by lightning.
     
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    Thank you. I feel better now

    I keep hearing the anecdotes about the shots being bad. But it seems the stats don't support that. My personal anecdote--I got my shots and had no problem, though a storm came through two days ago, and lighting hit a hundred yards away. Proof or omen? :)
     
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    When you post links to bogus articles and they get debunked (like your alarmist one pretending that vaccinated people fare worse, which I entirely demolished) you don't even reply, and you keep spouting the same nonsense in other threads. So, it's rich that you now berate someone about links.
     
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